The 1954 French flap:

The "saucers" mystery explained at last?

The occupants of the crafts are maybe not
Martians nor Uranians
but quite simply Russians

THAT IS AT LEAST WHAT INDICATES THE WITNESS
OF A RESIDENT OF SAINT-REMY

Saint-Remy (from of our envoys). -- At last, a precise, formal testimony, supported and with full details is to be filed in the huge file of the "flying saucers".
A man saw the machine, he went by very close to it. Better, he was able to chatter - forgive the pleasant euphemism - with its occupant who, holding it at gunpoint with his revolver, asked him some questions. How far we are from the peaceful kiss given to the honest correzian peasant by his anonymous and mysterious visitor!

And thus the legend of the Martians, Uranians and other Saturnians which stumble down from the sidereal void to visit our old planet named Earth with a worrying frequency is blow apart.

Here, in the case which interests us, we do not find trace of the luminous or fluorescent trails which seem to borrow from the neon signs of the large stores, and which form part of the traditional saucerian arsenal.

A saucer? For sure, since our witness claims this with an unshakeable conviction, there was one of them; But it was not luminous. And this is where the thing is original.

But let us report the history as it was told to us by Mr. Louis Ujvari, 40 years old, originating from Slovaquia (this comes up handy since he spoke the language of the visitor) and who, after having badly wandered throughout the world and serviced ten years to the Foreign Legion, has settled at Saint-Rémy for three years.

A MAN WAS THERE
WITH A REVOLVER IN HIS HAND

Mr. Ujvari (pronounce uivari) occupies with his wife and his five kids a small isolated farm, within the locality of "Le Bas", at the edge of the picturesque road which directs out of Saint-Rémy to the valley of Fraispertuis.

The former legionary works with the Derey workshops, construction material in Etival, where he molds building blocks.

Hard work. He must be on his building site at 3 in the morning.

And that is the reason why he left his home to go to his workplace on Thursday, at 02:30 A.M..

After he rode on his bicycle for a few hundreds of meters, he had to put the foot down on the ground: the way is indeed in the process of repair and the roughcast stones of the roadway does not welcome bicycle riding.

So he was pushing his machine with the hand, on the right side of the way, when he saw a silhouette, distinguished in the half-light.

A short order, that he did not understand, but that he was able to comprehend, froze him on the spot.

The former legionary Ujvari, who often closely faced death, did not tremble and waited.

At this point in time the unknown advanced towards him, holding him under the threat of a revolver.

The meeting was odd and unforeseen...

AN UNKNOWN LANGAGE

Still directing his weapon at our man, our mysterious nightbird, whose intentions did not seem quite that peaceful, talked at him in a completely unknown language. Ujvari, as we said, roevered under all latitudes. He has the practice of a number of languages, having like all his compatriots a remarquable ease to assimilate foreign dialects.

But he remained mute. Because: he did not understand a damn word of all that his interlocutor asked him.

"AM I IN SPAIN OR IN ITALY?"

He had an outstanding idea: he ventured into announcing to that guy that he knew Russian.

And that's when his "Martian" entertained him in this language which he knew perfectly.

"To be sure, Ujvari tought, I'm dealing with a russian bloke."

The conversation was short:

"Where am I?, asked the unknown. In Spain or Italy?"

The former legionary undeceived him, specifying that he was in Saint-Rémy, in France, the Vosges, district of Saint-Dié.

"How far to the German border?" asked the "Russian" then.

Ujvari gave the requested precision: within 100 km off the Rhine in straight line.

"IT'S NOT 2:30 O'CLOCK
IT'S 4!"

After that the unknown asked about the time.

"02:30", he was told.

At this point in time the man, transffering his revolver to his left hand, and still holding his interlocutor at gunpoint, extracted a watch from inside the pocket of his wind-breaker.

"You lie, he said angrily, it's four!"

No doubt the son of remote Russia set up his watch on Moscow time...

Another question still:

"How far and in which direction is Marseilles?"

At least the workman believed to understand that this was about the ancient city of Phocea, since the unknown had roughly pronounced "Marsilla."

He again provided the precise information.

The conversation ended there.

A SAUCER HAD LANDED
ON THE ROAD

"Go, now!"

Ujvari obeyed. Followed by his bodyguard which still held him in respect, he advanced on the road.

And that's when finally he understood the incredible, his extraordinary adventure: He saw a saucer, one of these famous and

mysterious flying saucers, which are discussed so much in the newspapers! The machine, high of 1 m 60 approximately and a diameter of three meters, was landed on the roadway.

Hitherto, in the darkness, he had believed to recognize the silhouette of a car or a van...

TWO COUPLED PLATES
AND A CUPOLLA
ON TOP

Our man, still under the effect of surprise, passed quite near to the saucer which he passed very close to. He had the strong temptation to stop, to touch the machine, of dark gray color as much as he could judge. But he felt the gun of the revolver close to his shoulders. He continued.

He had had time to fix the exact shape of the saucer in his memory: two enormous coupled plates and, fixed on the higher part, a cupola of which came out a sort of antenna ending in winglets in the shape of corkscrew.

"I exceeded the cupola by the head", Mr. Ujvari specify to us.

"AND NOW
GOODBYE

Pushing his bicycle with the hand, the former legionary, still escorted by the unknown, crossed about thirty meters.

"And now, goodbye!"

The occupant of the saucer, secured with the information which he had requested, hasted the moment of separation.

Louis Ujvari jumped on his bicycle and fled.

But he stopped at the level of the first house, after having been riding on approximately 200 meters.

Was he going to alert the villagers? To warn the mayor?

THE SAUCER TAKES OFF
VERTICALLY

He did not have the time to do so. A headlight had just lightened up on the surface of the cupola, projecting its pencil of light vertically.

A few seconds later, the witness of the frightening scene heard an engine noise, more exactly a whistle which developed. And he saw the saucer rising slowly vertically, a helicopter would do. At ten meters above ground-level, the machine veered, accelerated its speed and disappeared, in the direction to Saint-Dié.

The pilot had then extinguished the headlight and the saucer left absolutely no luminous trail.

Ujvari saw the strange "spinning top" disappearing, after having followed it with the eyes during one half-minute.

NO TRACES

He returned on back on his steps, and at the gleam of his cigarette lighter, tried to find traces of the machine on the roadway at the place where it had been landed.

But he discovered nothing to discover. The saucer left no mark printed on the ground.

AM MAN OF NORMAL
HEIGHT WEARING A
WINDBREAKER

Of his mysterious Ivan, the former legionary could describe the following silhouette: a man of a size of 1 m 65, of strong stoutness, carrying trousers of fabric, a wind-breaker with a largely opened collar, lined skin, a bonnet of the balaclava kind out of cloth and shoes whose soles resounded on the stones of the roadway.

THE AUTHORITIES ALERTED

Ujvari naturally informed his fellow workers of his incredible adventure on his arrival on the building site.

He was called a joker by some, an illusioned by other.

But he put so much conviction in tell by the details of the scene as he had just lived it that the skeptics were shaken.

It is however only yesterday that the mayor of Saint-Rémy, Mr. Armand Cunin, heard of the case which spread on.

The gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape were warned and investigated on the location. A moment later the police chief of the Renseignements Généraux [Intelligence] of Epinal, Mr. Moleur, accompanied by two inspectors, came in his turn to question Ujvari. The latter repeated the account of his nocturnal adventure, mimicking the gestures of the occupant of the saucer.

Hoaxer or madcap?

Or then, witness and actor of a veracious and genuine - as much as incredible - adventure which would throw a new light on the origin of these mysterious machines which seem to furrow the sky?

It must be said: the former legionary is not considered to be a visionary. He has both feet on ground and his statements were accommodated with a certain credit among the investigators.

Other may think that he could have easily invented this story. The detail of the takeoff, of the schedules of the two watches does not fail to strike. That, in any case, comes to bring a probability to the account of Ujvari... Except if he went to use this to authenticate his account thanks to knowledge of the existence of time zones.

MACHINE WITH NUCLEAR
REACTION?

In any event, official circles are highly interested in the case.

If the former legionary said the truth, the fable of aircraft and other flying cigars in deep spaces would be put to an end.

Saucers would ultimately only be machines based on our old planet and not leaving its sky.

Their existence would seem to indicate that the propulsion by jet has a source of energy other than the fuel hitherto used, but rather of a nuclear energy.

Jean THERNIER

Around Epinal

The pilot of the saucer
spoke in Russian

EPINAL, October 22. - The file on flying saucers has just been enriched with new testimony due to a worker from the Vosges mountains, Mr. Louis Ujvari. The latter, a former legionnaire of Slovak origin, aged 40, works in an industrial establishment, every morning from 3 a.m. on.

Wednesday morning, around 2:30 a.m., on his way to work, he met an individual carrying a revolver who, in an unknown language, ordered him to stop.

Ujvari, speaking several languages, he proposed Russian and was thus able to initiate a conversation with the individual who, obviously, sought to locate the place where he was.

The stranger, who was heavy, about 1.63 meters tall, was wearing a bright jacket on which the worker could notice the presence of shiny objects on the shoulders.

When the conversation was over, the man ordered Ujvari to move forward, still under the threat of a revolver.

It was then that the worker saw, placed on the road, a mysterious object: the saucer had the shape of two plates placed one on top of the other. A sort of periscope emerged from it. The machine was about 1.60 meters high and 2.50 meters in diameter.

The worker heard his interlocutor say goodbye to him fairly briefly and continued on his way; he stopped a hundred meters away and then a vertical headlight pierced the night. The mysterious machine went due south where the worker could follow it with his eyes for about 500 meters.

Ujvari had not dared to tell anyone about his mysterious encounter. It was only yesterday that he alerted the mayor of his commune, then the gendarmes. An investigation is currently underway.

A MARTIAN
WHO SPEAKS RUSSIAN

Epinal, October 22.

A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. Louis Ujvani [sic], 40 years old, told the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that last Wednesday, around 3 a.m. on his way to work, he was stopped on the road by a tall, medium-sized stranger dressed in a gray jacket with shiny badges on his shoulders.

The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvani, a Czech national, tried to speak Russian by chance. His interlocutor understood this perfectly. "Where am I? - he asked him - in Italy or in Spain? They he inquired about the distance from the German border, then asked for the time. The worker having indicated to him that it was approximately 2:30 a.m., the man pulled out of his jacket a watch that marked 4 o'clock in the morning.

He ordered the worker to move on. Soon Ujvani glimpsed in the middle of the road, a craft in the shape of two plates overturned one against the other, from which emerged a kid of periscope.

Arrived about thirty meters from the craft which was about 1.50 m. high and 2.50 m. wide, the stranger told him to move away. But looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvani saw the apparatus slowly rise vertically with the sound of a sewing machine. Reaching an altitude of 50 meters it took the horizontal and disappeared towards the south.

Going to his work, at 2:30 a.m.

A worker of Saint-Remy (the Vosges) is said to have talked - in Russian - to the pilot of a flying saucer

From our special envoy Maurice Goffinet: If one takes the statements made to us by Mr. Lazlo Ujvari of Saint-Remy (the Vosges) seriously, there will soon be no mystery anymore as of their origin, at least, the secret of their functioning may be, too, lifted, some day or night, since it is known that these craft preferably land in the darkness, even if they suddenly appear before the hood of an amazed car driver or trouble the quiet pedaling of an innocent cyclist.

The adventure is at the edge of the wood

So, Thursday evening, he was pedaling on the vicinal domain that links the Basses-Pierres to Saint-Remy. It was a morning like the other mornings. "The sky was cloudy," Mr. Ujvari told us, "there were quite frequently glows of the moon that allowed distinguishing the country to some extent. My dynamo was buzzing. But I soon had to put feet on the ground. At about 30 meters of my home the road is under repair and I was disturbed by pointed stones. I went around the wood that is on the edge of the road when a silhouette stood before me. The man was of average size and rather "chubby" (sic). Dressed of a jacket with a warm collar, long pants and shoes with hard soils certainly, because his steps sounded hard on the ground. On his head, he wore a helmet, of the motorcyclist helmet kind, but that must have been covered of a matte matter because it did not shine. What was brilliant however was a kind of stripe that the man had on each shoulder. He came to me frankly and "Halte" ["Stop"], an almost international word, was his first word. The rest was told in a language incomprehensible to me. Mr. Ujvari also specifies that the voice of the character was high-pitched "like a woman's voice."

Where are you going, man?

"I stopped short", Mr. Ujvari continues. I did not expect much to meet someone on my road at such an hour. The being advanced more to me and was at about 1m50. It is then that I saw that he had a pistol in his hand (and Mr. Ujvari, insists on this). I still did not understand anything to what he was saying, and I told him". Here a parenthesis is necessary: Mr. Ujvari was born in the Czech Republic forty years ago. He speaks our language almost perfectly and also most of the Eastern languages, in addition to German and Spanish. This is because he was in the Foreign Legion for ten years where he met men of all nations.

But let's hear the continuation of his story:

"Decided to know what this armed character wanted from me, I told him in Russian: I speak Russian".

- Me too, he answered to my great amazement, immediately adding in the same language: "Where are you going, man?"

I explained to him that I was going to my workplace in Etival. He asked me what time it was. I took out my pocket watch: 2:30 a.m., I answered. The man took his pistol in the other hand to take out, also, a watch.

- it is not true, it is four.

I had to explain to him that it was really 2:30 in our country because I started to work at 3 a.m..

- Where are we here? In Spain or in Italy?

Mr. Ujvari does not hide that this question first really puzzled him. He thought he was confronted to a stalled foreign car driver. The first idea - funny - that came to his mind, was that the man must have been seriously lost!

- We are in France, he answered.

- Where in France?

- At 100 kilometers of the German border, at 100 kilometers from Strasbourg.

- Is it far from Marseilles?

- 900 kilometers, Mr. Ujvari, who was not in the famous "Marseilles jokes" mood.

- Go away now, said the man showing the road to Mr. Ujvari.

The latter did not need this to be repeated.

But some curiosity made him ask still in Russian language to his strange interlocutor, where he was coming from. But the man did not seem to be ready to waste any time in useless confidences. Go, he did not cease to tell me, pushing Mr. Ujvari with the tip of his weapon.

This is when having walked - bicycle at the hand - for about thirty meters, Mr. Ujvari suddenly had a shock at the heart.

The saucer on the road

The narrow road was barred by a craft that Mr. Ujvari first thought to be an automobile. "But I did not see wheels, and the more I approached I distinguish what must be called a saucer on the background of the sky: a hull in the shape of a plate or rather two plates touching by their edges. The whole in a slightly tilted position. I did not distinguish feet. In the vertical axis above the craft, stood a rod with winglets".

"The saucer had at first sight a diameter of 2m50 and a height of 1m60. The rod with the winglets, thick like a broom, was about 60 centimeters long". About the color, Mr. Ujvari is not much informed. It was in the night. The craft seemed metallic to him and dark grey. Anyway, no light came out of it.

"I went at one meter, one meter fifty, of this "thing" Mr. Ujvari told us and the character did not want me to stick around. He went with me at 30 meters beyond the road. His last word was "sbogen". ("Goodbye" in Russian)."

Having walked on for about 200 meters, Mr. Ujvari stopped and looking back he saw a vertical luminous beam like that of a powerful headlight pointed at the sky, rise from the place where he had seen the saucer.

"I heard, he goes on, the craft "purr like a cat" that is to say louder than a scooter engine heard at such a distance. Then I saw it, thanks to its projector, rise vertically at a tremendous speed and the projector went off while it disappeared to the South". Mr. Ujvari does not hide that he pinched himself to make sure he had not been dreaming. Even at the risk of being late at work, he came back to the place of the saucer. Nothing was left of the passage of the strange craft. He then thought to alert someone at the village: "But, he said, I was afraid to be taken for a fool, for waking people up at such an hour."

Needless to say that his story, a bit late, got some success among his workmates.

The witness has a sense of reality

From gendarmerie to squad section, from squad to central station, the message of the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape made its way.

"Another saucer story" scoff the phone standard employees. We have to say in all impartiality that in Saint-Remy one laughs a lot less now.

Mr. Ujvari, father of family, is known there as sober, hard worker and not subjected to illusions, moreover not compatible with his military past.

The gendarmes investigated very seriously on the saucer phenomenon. On the road, they unfortunately found no landing trace.

During a long interrogation, Mr. Ujvari did not vary at all in his statements. "If only we had been two people", he repeats.

There is by the way a secondary element - very secondary - that has a big importance as of the credibility that can be given to Mr. Ujvari's statements. The cow of this brave man is very sick since a few days and its owner is quite obsessed with this annoyance, insomuch as to state that his encounter with the Russian-speaking "Martian" (!) is of lesser importance...

"Do not waste my time once again with this saucer. I was with the gendarmes long enough this morning. I have to take care of my cow. If it dies, this is 120.000 francs lost... you understand?"

This was how Mr. Ujvari greeted us when we were going to interview him, with Mr. Cunin, mayor of Saint-Remy. We managed to soften him nevertheless and this got us the strange story you just read.

Saucers, cigars, etc.

The lacquered "Martien"
spoke "Russian"?

A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. Ujvari, 40 years old, has just told the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that, last Wednesday, around 3 a.m., he was stopped on the road by a stranger of large build and average height, wearing a gray jacket, decorated on the shoulders with shiny badges.

The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari, of Czech nationality, tried to speak Russian. His interlocutor understood it perfectly. "Where am I, he asked, in Italy, in Spain?" He then inquired about the distance separating him from the German border, and the time. The worker having told him that it was around 3:30 a.m., the man took out of his jacket a watch that marked 4 a.m.

Then the stranger gave the worker the order to move forward. Soon Ujvari saw in the middle of the road a craft in the shape of two plates reversed one against the other, from which emerged a kind of periscope.

Arrived at about thirty meters from the apparatus, which was about 1.50 high and 2.50 m. wide, the stranger tells him to move away. But, looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvari varies could see the machine rise slowly vertically with a noise of sewing machines. Arrived at an altitude of 500 meters, it took the horizontal and disappeared in direction of the south.

Mr. Ujvari said the unknown was wearing a helmet similar to that of a motorcyclist. He had a gun in his hand.

His last word to Mr. Ujvari was "farewell" in Russian.

He had a bottle!

Friday evening, in Binic, a passerby alerted the residents of rue Wilson to inform them that he had just seen a little man all covered with hair. Several resident set off to meet the "Martian" who seemed to be waiting for them. Arriving a few meters away, the delegation realized that it was a gas bottle!

We wonder if the passer-by hadn't emptied one too many!

The War of the Worlds did not take place in Anzin

The War of the Worlds did not take place in Anzin. A false alarm had worried many people who believed... Friday evening, in an invasion of "Martians."

It was around 10 p.m. when a few strollers walking along avenue Anatole-France saw bright spots in the sky.

A person, seized with fear, sounded the alarm at the police station, while firefighters, on duty in a movie theater, rushed to screams in the street by witnesses of the strange apparitions.

The saucers were going faster and faster and leading an infernal dance, much to the excitement of passers-by who expected their landing. A firefighter even prevented motorists from driving with their headlights on, so as not to serve as a landmark for the "Martians".

Ten minutes later, one noticed that they were light reflections on glass insulators placed at the top of a pylon of a high-voltage power line.

The cigar was lit

Returning from a surveillance tour, Mr. Albert Tilly, rural policeman in Ecury-sur-Coole (Marne), saw a machine flying at very high speed. It was elongated and lighted inside. The machine moved silently and at a speed four times that of a jet plane, leaving behind a red trail of about 50 meters.

IN THE VOSGES

A Czech worker
talks in Russian
with a "Martian"

UNTIL NOW, the only word spoken by a "Martian" had been "Gasoil". It was a railway worker who brought it to us. The other witnesses spoke of an unintelligible language. Progress is constant. Read more:

A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. Louis Ujvari, 40, told yesterday to the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that, last Wednesday, around 3 a.m., while he was going to his work, he was stopped on the road by a bulky and medium-sized individual, wearing a gray jacket, wearing shiny badges on his shoulders.

The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari, a Czech national, tried to speak Russian on the off chance. His interlocutor understood perfectly: "Yes, am I," he asked him, "in Italy or in Spain?" He then inquired about the distance from the German border, then asked for the time. The worker having indicated to him that it was approximately 2:30 a.m., the man took out of his jacket a watch which marked 4 o'clock in the morning.

He ordered the worker to move on. Ujvari soon saw in the middle of the road, a craft in the shape of two plates overturned against each other, from which emerged a kind of periscope.

Arrived about thirty meters from the craft, which was about 1.50 m high and 2.50 m wide, the stranger told him to move away. But, looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvari could see the craft slowly rise vertically with the sound of a sewing machine. When it reached an altitude of 500 meters, it took the horizontal and disappeared in the direction of the South.

IN THE VOSGES

A CZECH WORKER
TALKS IN RUSSIAN
WITH A "MARTIAN"

EPINAL. -- A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. Louis Ujvari, 40, told yesterday to the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that, last Wednesday, around 3 a.m., while he was going to his work, he was stopped on the road by a bulky and medium-sized individual, wearing a gray jacket, wearing shiny badges on his shoulders.

The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari, a Czech national, tried to speak Russian on the off chance. His interlocutor understood perfectly: "Yes, am I," he asked him, "in Italy or in Spain?" He then inquired about the distance from the German border, then asked for the time. The worker having indicated to him that it was approximately 2:30 a.m., the man took out of his jacket a watch which marked 4 o'clock in the morning.

He ordered the worker to move on. Ujvari soon saw in the middle of the road, a craft in the shape of two plates overturned against each other, from which emerged a sort of periscope.

Arrived about thirty meters from the craft, which was about 1.50 m high and 2.50 m wide, the stranger told him to move away. But, looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvari could see the machine slowly rise vertically with the sound of a sewing machine. When it reached an altitude of 500 meters, it took the horizontal and disappeared in the direction of the South.

The Martian spoke... Russian

Our fellows from beyond the Vosges speak about the unusual encounter made in the area of Saint-Rémy (the Vosges) by a farmer of the place, named Ujvani [sic], Wednesday morning around 3 hours.

While he was goint to his workplace by bicycle, Ujvani [sic] had to put foot at the ground on a portion of the way in the course of repair. At this time, a man left the darkness of a hedge. He held a revolver in the hand and talked to the cyclist in a language that the latter did not understand.

Remembering that he had acquired serious knowledge in Russian during his ten years of stay in the foreign Legion, Ujvani started to speaking in this language. The man then answered him in Russian, to ask him, always revolver in the hand, if he were in Spain... or Italy. After that the man aked about the distance which separated him from the German border. With an approximate answer, he moved towards a wird machine posed to the edge of the way. One would have said two enormous metal plates placed edge on edge and whose top, in the shape of cupola, was provided with a kind of periscope. The weird tourist went up in the apparatus, which took height, while making a noise which resembled that of a sewing machine...

Such is the statement that Ujvani made with the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape.

SAUCERS (continued)

Near St-Dié

A "Martian" comes out of a plate, talks Russian to a worker and threatens him with a revolver...

EPINAL, October 23 ("France-Soir" telegram).

A worker from a materials company, Mr. Ujvari, 40-year-old, residing at Saint-Rémy, near St. Dié, former legionnaire, met the other night at the edge of a wood an individual dressed in an outfit and wearing a motorcycle helmet standing next to a machine 2 or 3 meters in diameter in the form of two plates glued together.

The worker, who is of Czech origin, called out to the man and was surprised to hear him answer in Russian.

But the "Martian" was not in the mood to continue the conversation. Revolver in hand, he "escorted" the worker to a distance. A few minutes later, Mr. Ujari heard a whistling sound and saw the craft that went back into the sky almost vertically.

IN THE VOSGES A WORKMAN OF CZECH ORIGIN CLAIMS TO HAVE TALKED IN RUSSIAN TP THE PILOT OF ONE OF THESE MACHINES

Do the flying saucers ultimately come from behind the iron curtain? The thesis put ahead by many for a long time, that makes of these craft Soviet reconnaissance apparatuses, was reinforced yesterday by the testimony of a Czech man established in the Haute-Vosges. Louis Ujvari, aged 40, factory worker in St Rémy went to his work Wednesday towards 02:30 of the morning when he met an individual equipped of a revolver who talked to him in an unknown language. Ujvari speaks several languages; he proposed Russian and had the surprise to hear his interlocutor ask him several questions in this language: The unknown requested to hear where he was; had the exact place located, asked the exact hour, observed that this hour, 02:30, did not correspond with his, 04:00, and finally ordered to the workman to go away. The man was approximately 1,65 meters, he carried a pilot flight suit and shoed shoes. Whereas the workman advanced, preceding his interlocutor, still armed, of some steps. He saw a strange object posed on the road, resembling two plates turned over one on the other. A kind of periscope emerged from it, the machine was 1,60 meters high on 2,50 meters in diameter. The unknown then says goodbye in Russian and set out again towards his apparatus. The workman took his bicycle and went, and did not dare to look back before being at a hundred meters. At this time a vertical headlight pierced the night. The machine rose slowly. It took height, emitting a noise comparable with that of a sewing machine. It did not emit any gleam. Ujvari manage to follow the mysterious machine on approximately hundred meters, then lost it in the night. The workman then returned at the place where the machine was, but he did not discover any trace. Yesterday, after having hesitated a long time, ended up going to see the mayor of his town, whom he made the account of his adventure. An investigation was opened at once, in which two police chiefs of the General Intelligence took part, and lengthily questioned Mr. Ujvari.

[...] [Other sightings.]

The expected detail (???)
on the flying saucers

The braided "Martian"
spoke "russian"

A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. L. Ujvari, 40 years old, has just told the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that he had been arrested on the road by a tall, medium-sized stranger, dressed in a gray jacket, adorned with shiny badges on the shoulders.

The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari, a Czech national, tried to speak Russian. His interlocutor understood this perfectly. "Where am I, he asked, in Italy or Spain?" He then inquired about the distance between him and the German border, and the time. The worker having indicated to him that it was approximately 3:30 a.m., the man took out of his jacket a watch, which marked 4 o'clock in the morning.

The craft was 1.50 m high and 2.50 m. wide. It was shaped like two plates overturned against each other, from which a sort of periscope emerged.

Mr. Ujvari said the stranger was wearing a helmet similar to that of a motorcyclist. He was holding a revolver in his hand.

His last word to Mr. Ujvari was "farewell" in Russian.

WAR OF THE WORLDS

A false alarm had worried many people who believed... in an invasion of "Martians".

It was around 10 p.m. when a few strollers on avenue Anatole-France saw bright spots in the sky.

A person, seized with fright, gave the alarm to the police station, while firefighters on duty in a cinema, rushed to the cries uttered in the street by the witnesses of the strange appearances.

The saucers went faster and faster and led a hellish round, to the great excitement of the patients who expected their landing. A firefighter prevented motorists from driving with their headlights on, so as not to serve as a landmark for the "Martians".

Ten minutes later, one realized that they were light reflections on glass insulators placed at the top of a pylon of a high-voltage power line.

France Abuzz Over Saucers

Craze Matches Witch-Hunting

PARIS (Reuters) -- Frenchmen have taken to the flying saucer craze with all the enthusiasm that their medieval forebears devoted to witch-hunting.

Not a day passes without reports from all over France of "flying saucers," "flying cigars," "flying mushrooms," and "flying bells" piloted by 20th century sorcerers.

Villagers seize shot guns and pitchforks and sally forth valiantly to meet any saucer reported landing nearby. Police spend hours following up reports.

Flying saucer stories and speculation about their origin fill the national press. They have even driven sex from the front pages of some popular weekly newspapers. One has offered a reward of 1.000,000 francs (about $2800) to the reader who sends in the first authentic photograph of a flying saucer.

The Mayor of Chateauneuf-du-Pape, a wine village of 1600 people has decreed that any flying saucer which lands in his village will be impounded.

Flying saucer stories come from all levels and ages of the population.

A select few claim that they have actually seen the creatures who pilot the saucers over France. They generally agree that the creatures, usually referred to as Martians, are shorter than human beings in size and appear to be very hairy. Most of these creatures, if they speak, utter unintelligible sounds, but some have made themselves understood in French and even Russian.

Thirteen year-old Gilbert Lafay [sic], of Chateaubriant, said that he saw in a field a flying saucer piloted by a man who spoke to him in French.

Baker's assistant Pierre Lucas of Loctudy claimed that he met a four-foot flying saucer pilot with a hairy oval face and eyes as big as crow's eggs.

A workman, Louis Ujvari, met a flying saucer pilot near Epinal who spoke Russian and asked how far it was from the German frontier.

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Saucers with sirens

The saucers seem generally to be piloted by males. One exception was reported by a schoolmaster, Mr. Martin, who said he met two beautiful Martian girls on the island of Oloron [sic] off the French Atlantic Coast. They were about four feet, four inches, and wore leather helmets, gloves and boots.

The strange visitors from outer space are said to be equipped with "ray guns" which stop witnesses in their track with an electric shock effect and temporarily immobilize automobile engines, but no really unfriendly act by them has so far been reported.

Frenchmen are less well disposed towards their uninvited guests and some accidents have occurred in the hunt for Martians. At Sinceny, Jean Faisan fired two shots at his farmer neighbor, Maurice Ruan, who was repairing his car one night, narrowly missing his head but damaging the radiator.

Faisan explained that when he saw a figure illuminated by two lamps he thought he was in the presence of a "Martian repairing his flying saucer." He ran for his shotgun and fired.

In the village of Troussey, sugar beet gatherer Alexandre Ronneji, who had not had a haircut for several months, was manhandled by a crowd who mistook him for a hairy Martian.

At Tain-l'Hermitage, in central France, a wineyard worker decided that his neighbor, M. Neyret, looked "extraordinary" in the dusk and attacked him savagely, beating him so severely that one ear was torn off. Only then did he find that Neyret was not a Martian.

Press cartoonists and practical jokers are having a field day over the whole affair. Newspapers and popular weekly magazines fill their cartoon pages with saucer jokes.

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Flying Saucer-ers

A worker at a Paris railway depot started his mates on a Martian hunt by capering about in a welder's helmet with a green light inside.

But the king of the saucer jesters was a retired miner of the village of Beuvry-Les-Bethunes, near Lille, who built some flying saucers in his backyard. He made his "saucers" out of gray paper on the fire-balloon principles and lit a paraffin-soaked rag at the base. The warm air lifted the "saucers", some of them over nine feet in diameter, and off they went with the wind showing orange and yellow lights from the flames.

Police found him out after one of his "saucers" had landed near a haystack and almost set it on fire.

Attempts to explain the saucer phenomena have varied from "mass hallucination" to a suggestion that they are new experimental aircraft built in cigar form which can take off vertically.

Another theory is that, under certain atmospheric conditions, exhaust fuel from jet aircraft solidifies and may form "saucer" shapes. It has been said to reach the ground in the form of a rubbery material which dissolved on being touched. Such a material has often be reported to have been found on saucer landing sites.

Russian Saucers?

A flying saucer pilot who spoke Russian and asked how far it was from the German border was reported by a Czech workman from St. Remy near Epinal, France.

The workman, Louis Ujvari, 40, told the police the saucerian, who held a revolver on him, was heavily-built, wore a crash helmet and shining epaulettes. He asked whether he was in Italy or Spain, then said goodby in Russian. The saucer looked like "two air plates (whatever it is -- Ed.) face to face," with a periscope sticking out. As it flew away it made a noise like a sewing machine.

One also did not lose the memory of this witness named Ujvari, a citizen of a state beyond the Iron Curtain, and claiming that he was "contacted" on October 21, 1954 in St-Rémy (Vosges), by a being descended from a F.S., speaking Russian and whose watch was on Moscow time...

On October 20, 1954 at 3 a.m., while on his way to work, a Czech worker - Lazlo Ujvari - near Raon-l'Etape (Vosges), was arrested by a large unknown, but of medium height, dressed in a sort of gray jacket, with shiny insignia on the shoulders. He wore a helmet similar to that of a motorcyclist and held a kind of revolver in his hand.

In a very high-pitched voice, the man spoke in an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari tried, on the off chance, to speak Russian. His strange interlocutor understood him perfectly.

- Where am I? he asked him. In Italy? In Spain? He then inquired about the distance separating him from the German border, then asked the time. The worker having told him that it was around 3:30 a.m., the man took a watch out of his jacket which showed 4 o'clock and then gave the worker the order to move on. Soon, Ujvari saw in the middle of the road an apparatus having the shape of two plates reversed one against the other, from which emerged a kind of periscope. Arrived at about thirty meters from the craft - which would measure 1.50 m high and a diameter of 2.50 m - the stranger ordered him to move away. The workman obeyed, but turned from time to time. He could thus see the craft rising slowly vertically "with a noise of a sewing machine." Arrived at 500 meters of altitude, the apparatus took the horizontal and disappeared in direction of the South.

It is immediately apparent that the behavior of the "unknown" is not at all consistent with that which could be attributed to a (Russian) pilot of an experimental aircraft operating (illegally) in foreign territory! This behavior doesn't even make sense!

The craft of the "unknown" being in perfect working order, we can hardly explain its presence on our soil. Besides, if it was a Russian pilot, we can hold for certain that his first care would have been to hide his (revolutionary) prototype from prying eyes, but here, it is precisely the opposite that is happening! "The man" orders the worker to precede him in order to allow him to see his craft! Moreover, can we reasonably admit that an "Earth test pilot" can get lost to the point of not knowing wether he is in Italy or in Spain... when in fact he is in France?

Inadmissible for an Earthling, these errors would be understandable for am... Uranian. For we do not see from what country this helmeted "unknown" could have come, sporting shiny badges on his broad shoulders, armed with a kind of revolver and speaking in a very high-pitched voice, at first in incomprehensible language, then in Russian. A detail leaves us a priori perplexed: this stranger had a watch (30 minutes ahead of the time in use in France).

This fact, however, is not proof of the earthly origin of the enigmatic individual. Indeed, the Uranians cannot but also use an instrument marking the hours (according to their own time measurements). However, if the witness Ujvari was able to specify that the said watch marked 4 o'clock instead of 3:30, it was because the numbers on the dial were "Earth" numbers! He obviously could not have read "Uranian" characters!

This logical finding automatically brings us back to the "natural" explanation of the incident: the pilot was of Russian origin.

This obvious explanation seems belied by the strange behavior of the pilot. Vicious circle!... Unless one rejects the totality of this "testimony" to keep only the thesis of... a mystification! And here again, it is still not the solution since the interrogation of the Czech worker did not make it possible to conclude it was a trickery. We are therefore forced to give this "mystery" the benefit of the doubt...

October 20, 1954:

Saint-Rémy (9 km isl at the SSW.of Raon-l'Etape,near Rte. D32--Vosges): czech worker Lazlo Ujvari (vraft in the shape of 2 plates reversed one against the other, with a kind of periscope + "man" average size dressed in grey, speaking Russian)

291) October 20, 1954, 02:30 a.m., Raon-l'Etage (France):

Forty-year-old Lazlo Ujvari was suddenly confronted by a man wearing a jacket, boots, and cloth headgear (like a pilot's) who pointed a gun at him and said something he could not understand. When Ujvari spoke to him in Russian, the man answered in the same language, asked whether he was in Spain or Italy, and how far he was from Germany. When he asked the time, Ujvari said: "2:30." The man took his watch and said "You lie; it's 4:00." Then he wanted to know how far and in what direction Marseilles was. He made Ujvari walk on the road with him, and they came close to a gray craft with an antenna on top. When he was about 200 m away, he heard a soft whistling sound and saw it fly straight up, then take an oblique trajectory. (Carrouges 99; Magonia).

October 20, 1954, 02:30 a.m.. Raon-l'Etape (France):

Lazlo Ujvari, forty-year-old, was suddenly confronted by a man wearing a jacket, boots, and cloth headgear (like a pilot's) who pointed a gun at him and said something he could not understand. When Ujvari spoke to him in Russian, the man answered in the same language, asked whether he was in Spain or Italy, and how far he was from Germany. When he asked the time, Ujvari said: "2:30." The man took his watch and said "You lie; it's 4:00." Then he wanted to know how far and in what direction Marseilles was. He made Ujvari walk on the road with him, and they came close to a gray craft with an antenna on top. When he was about 200 m away, he heard a soft whistling sound and saw it fly straight up, then take an oblique trajectory. (Carrouges 99).

We said in one of the previous chapters that we had a case of landing with a quite dubious "Martian". This is the case of 10/20/1954 in Raon l'Etape in which the witness, Lazlo Ujvari (whose good faith cannot be doubted) found himself confronted with a "human" (or a " Martian type A H [= oh human appearance]) speaking Russian and having a watch set to the Earth rhythm and having serious geographical knowledge ... From there to think that it was a lost Russian pilot, there is only one step. Especially since the witness was threatened by a handgun.

In the French domain, there is another very strange case.

10/20/1954 Raon L'Etape (Vosges)

That morning, around 3 a.m., the witness, Mr. Lazlo Ujvari, was called in an unknown language by a stocky being dressed in a gray jacket with shoulders adorned with shiny insignia and wearing a "motorcyclist" helmet." The witness being of Czech origin, he tried to speak Russian. The stranger understood this and asked him in the same language:

"Where am I? Italy or Spain?

- In France.

- How far from the German border? ... then ... What time is it?

- 2:30 a.m..

- Liar, it's 4 a.m.!" replied the being, consulting a watch he had taken out of his pocket... Then, ceasing to threaten the witness with his revolver, he climbed in a craft in the shape of two plates glued on top of each other. The craft was dark gray and had a corkscrew-shaped antenna at the top. It took off slowly with a sewing-machine noise. (Summary J. Giraud after A. Michel, J. Guieu...)

If there was only the mysterious individual, it would be easy to liken him to a lost foreign helicopter pilot... But there is the very classic "Flying Saucer". In this case we will never know where and when the witness began not to tell the simple truth.

But back to our "messages". All are of a "naivety" (not to use a more vulgar word) distressing! They all oscillate between the incredible and the wacky. If we were told: "All these witnesses lied, this is the proof..." we would be very relieved. But, is it possible to consider that we are only dealing with lies? No, that would be a bit too simple! So what should we conclude? Personally, we see in this further proof that the "Martians" are mocking us by muddying the waters to the maximum. What better way would there be to bury the problem in contradictions and thus lead disgusted researchers to reject everything altogether? If this is their technique, it is quite effective and we have not yet forgotten the smiles made of a mixture of irony and pity that "very serious scholars" agreed to give us between two shrugs of shoulders before bludgeoning us at close range with stories of this kind... And yes, at the limit, such stories lead to the Menger and Adamski cases. And when we are attacked on this ground which is not ours (we do everything to avoid getting lost in such stories), it is very difficult for us to defend ourselves, we would like to talk about something else, but our detractors stick to it like dogs to bones... and they can only have the last word!

469 20 October 1954 0230 hrs

RAON L'ETAGE (FRANCE) Lazlo Ujvari (40) was suddenly confronted by a man wearing a jacket and boots and cloth headgear (like a pilots) who pointed a gun at the witness and said something he couldn't understand. When Ujvari spoke to him in Russian the man answered in the same language, asking whether he was in Spain or Italy and how far he was from Germany. When he asked the time Ujvari said "2.30". The man took his watch and said "You lie, it's 4.00". Then he wanted to know how far and in what direction Marseilles lay. He made Ujvari walk along the road with him and they came close to a grey craft with an antenna on top. When he was about 200m away Ujvari heard a soft whistling sound and he saw the craft fly straight up then take an oblique trajectory. (M291; Carrouges 99t Magonia, 146)

37. Encounter at Raon l'Etape (Vosges), October 20, by Laszlo Ujvari: unattributed French newspaper clipping of about October 24, by Pierre Masson; Jacques Valee, Passport to Magonia: Regnery, Chicago (1969), pp 146-147.

54-88 Oct. 20, 1954 0230 Raon-1'Etape, France Type C

Lazlo Ujvari, going to work at 2:30 AM, encountered a man wearing a helmet, who threatened him with a revolver and spoke words he did not understand. U. spoke Russian to him and got a reply in that language. The unknown then asked (in Russian) whether he was in Spain or Italy; then, what time it was. "2:30", said U. "You lie", replied the man, taking out his own watch and announcing "Four o'clock!" He then escorted U. past an inverted-dish-shaped, lightless saucer bearing a 2-foot antenna, which took up almost the whole width of the road. After 30 yards, he said "Adieu." After a few paces, U. looked back: with a whine like an electric motor, the saucer rose vertically.

Investigator:

Sources: Pierre Masson in unidentified French newspaper; Vallee, Magonia, pp. 146f. & 234f.

Going to investigate does not always involve a meeting with the witness. We have reduced the Ujvari case by an extended stay in the Vosges and a long work on the phone with Poland, while the witness lives in the Pyrénées. To us, only the result matters.

23°) CASE NR F/98/88541020 (01)

ST REMY - WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 1954

2:30 a.m. lOCAL TIME

Witness: Mr. Louis UJVARI

Sources: La Liberté de l'Est article, October 23-24, 1954

"We tell the story as told to us by Mr. Louis UJVARI, 40 years old from SLOVAKIA (which happens to be really good since he spoke the language of the visitor). He lives with his wIFE and HIS three children in a small isolated farm at a place called LE LAS on the edge of the road that leads from SAINT-REMY to the FRAISPERTHUIS valley. The former legionnaire is employed at the DERAY co, building materials at ETIVAL, where he molds concrete blocks. Thursday at 2:30 a.m. he left his home to go to his workplace. After riding his bicycle for a few hundred meters, he had to dismount: the road being repaired and the roadway bristling with a carpet of stones does not lend itself to bicycle traffic. So he pushes his machine standing on the side of the road when he sees in the darkness a silhouette standing out. A brief order that he does not understand but that he was able translate nailed him to the spot. The former legionnaire did not tremble and waited. It was then that the stranger advanced towards him holding him under the threat of a revolver. The mysterious night prowler whose intentions did not seem otherwise peaceful addressed him in an absolutely unknown language. UJVARI, who has traveled around all latitudes, knows a lot of languages. But he remained silent. Because he did not understand a word of everything his interlocutor asked him. He spoke Russian and the Martian collocated him in that language. The conversation was brief.

"Where am I? In Spain, in Italy?".

"The ex-legionnaire corrected him, told him that he was in SAINT REMY in France, Vosges, district of SAINT DIE. "How far from the German border? UJVARI gave the requested clarification: 100 kilometers from the Rhine in straight line. After which the stranger inquired about the time. "2:30 a.m." was the answer. It was then that the man put his revolver in his left hand and, still keeping his interlocutor in sight, reached into his locked jacket pocket and pulled out a watch. "You're lying, he said rudely, it's 4 a.m.!"

How far and in which direction is MARSEILLE? (pronounced MARSILLA). He again provides the answer with precision. There the interview ended.

"Go now!"

UJVARI complied followed by his guard who still held him at gunpoint, he advanced towards the road, he saw a saucer one meter sixty high, in diameter three meters being posed on the roadway. UJVARI passed very close to the saucer which he brushed. He had every intention of stopping and touching the gray colored machine but he felt the barrel of the revolver close to his shoulders. The shape of the saucer: two huge plates placed together and fixed on the upper part, a cupola from which emerged a sort of antenna ending in corkscrew-shaped fins. "I was taller than the dome by the head was able to tell us Mr. UJVARI. Pushing his bicycle by hand, the former legionnaire always escorted by the unknown traveled about thirty meters.

"And now farewell!" Louis UJVARI got on his bike and took off. But he stopped at the height of the first house after riding for 200 meters, a headlight had just lit up on the surface of the dome projecting its light beam vertically. A few seconds later, the witness heard an engine noise, rather a whistle that grew louder. He saw the saucer slowly rise vertically. At about ten meters from the ground the craft veered, accelerated its speed and disappeared heading for SAINT DIE. The pilot had then extinguished his headlight and the saucer left no luminous trail. UJVARI saw the strange spinning top disappear after following it in the skies for half a minute."

Comments: It looks like someone in the UFO world has tracked down the witness who confirmed a hoax. We would be happy to have this proof, our investigation in 1982 having not led to the witness.

Note however this case as the only "humanoid" case known in the Vosges.

23° CASE Nr F/98/88541020 (01)

ST REMY - Wednesday, October 20, 1954

2:30 a.m. Local Time

Witness: Mr. Louis UJVARI

Sources: Article by la Liberté de l'Est for October 23-24, 1954

"We tell the story as told by Mr. Louis UJVARI, 40-years-old, from SLOVAKIA (it is really good since he spoke the language of the visitor). He lives with his wife and three kids in a small, isolated farmhouse at "LE LAS" on the edge of the road leading from SAINT REMY to the valley of FRAISPERTUIS. The former legionnaire is employed at the DEREY establishments, building materials at ETIVAL, where he molds construction blocks. At 2:30 a.m. he left his home to go to his work place, and after riding his bicycle a few hundred meters, he had to dismount: the road was being repaired and was paved with a carpet of pebbles. He was pushing his machine on the side of the road when he saw a silhouette in the half-light, a brief order which he did not understand but which he could translate nailed him on the spot. The legionnaire former did not shiver and waited.

It was then that the stranger advanced towards him holding him under the threat of a revolver. The mysterious nocturnal man, whose intentions did not appear otherwise peaceful, talked to him in an absolutely unknown language. UJVARI, who had roamed all around the world, knows a lot of languages, but he remained silent. For a moment he did not understand a word of all that his interlocutor asked him. He spoke Russian and the Martian collocated him in that language. The conversation was brief.

"Where am I? in Spain, Italy?"

The former legionnaire corrected him, telling him that he was at SAINT REMY in France, Vosges, district of SAINT DIE.

"How far from the German border?" UJVARI gave the required precision: 100 kilometers from the Rhine in straight line, after what the stranger inquired about the time. "2:30 am" was answered. It was then that the man passed his revolver to his left hand and still holding his interlocutor in sight rummaged in his locked pocket of his jacket and pulled out a watch.

"You're lying," he said roughly, "it's 4:00 a.m.!"

How much and in what direction is MARSEILLE (pronounced MARSILLA). He also provided the information accurately. There stopped the interview. "Go now!"

Ujvari complied, followed by his bodyguard, who was still holding him at gunpoint, he walked towards the road, he saw a saucer one meter sixty high, 3 meters in diameter placed on the road. UJVARI passed close to the saucer he almost touched. He intended to stop and touch the gray-colored craft, but he felt the cannon of the revolver close to his shoulders. The shape of the saucer: two enormous attached plates fixed on the upper part, a cupola from which came out a kind of antenna ending in fins in the shape of a corkscrew. "I was higher of one head than its dome, Mr. UJVARI was able to tell us. Pushing his bike in his hand, the former legionnaire still escorted by the unknown walked for about thirty meters.

"And now goodbye!" Louis UJVARI got on his bike and took off. But he stopped at the height of the first house after riding 200 meters, a headlight had just lighted on the surface of the dome projecting its light beam vertically.

A few seconds later, the witness heard an engine sound, rather a hissing sound. He saw the saucer slowly rise vertically. About ten meters from the ground the craft turned, accelerated its speed and disappeared heading to SAINT DIE. The pilot had then extinguished his headlight and the saucer did not leave any luminous trails.

UJVARI saw the strange top disappear after watching it for half a minute."

Comments: It seems that someone in the UFO world would have found the witness who would have confirmed a hoax. We would be happy to have this evidence, since our investigation in 1982 did not reach the witness.

Note however that this case is the only known "humanoid" case in the Vosges.

Note: We met the witness but he does not want to talk about it. We continue our investigation by trying to see him again through his son (4/12/85)

Case #19

On Wednesday, October 20, 1954 in Saint-Rémy (88) - (ZC: T1).

Mr. Lazlo Ujvari, 40, a worker at Etablissements Derrey in Etival and living in Basses-Pierres (hamlet near Saint-Rémy), goes to work, like every morning, on his moped.

On the road, a man of average size stops him shouting "Stop!". The stranger wearing a shiny shawl collar at each shoulder, long pants and hard-soled shoes wears a matte motorcycle helmet on his head and shoots a gun at the witness. He speaks an unknown language in a high voice like that of a woman. Ujvari answers him in Russian and the stranger then starts the conversation in that language.

He asks if he is in Spain or Italy; how far is it from Germany.

The stranger asks for the time and gets angry when he hears the answer and takes out his own watch: "you lie, it is 4 o'clock". Then he asks the direction of Marseille. The humanoid makes Ujvari walk on the road under the threat of his weapon. They then approach a gray vehicle of 2.50 m in diameter and a height of 1.60 m, equipped with a finned rod 60 cm long. The stranger orders the witness to go away. The latter hears a soft whistling sound and, turning around, sees the craft moving straight ahead and then oblique in the sky. (Ref .: Vallée Catalog, page 286, La Liberté de l'Est for 10/23/54, l'Est Républicain for 10/23-24/54, J.-C. Bourret, M. Figuet).

In 1984, the witness, found by the CVLDLN, confirms his observation but thinks of a Soviet apparatus (!) (Counter-investigation in progress).

4219: 1954/10/20 02:30 20 6:49:40 E 48:22:00 N 3333 WEU FRN VSG C:4

St-REMY,FR:OBS/VERY ODD EXCHANGE W/LOST PSH:SCR ^+>>SE:must see /r30p190+/r8

Ref#217 Jean SIDER: Le DOSSIER 1954 (2 vol.) Page No. 212 : FOREST

L'Ardennais, Monday, October 25,1954. (Page 1)

IN THE VOSGES: FROM A CRAFT WITH SEWING MACHINE NOISE CAME OUT
A "MARTIAN" SPEAKING VERY GOOD RUSSIAN !!!

EPINAL - A worker from Saint-Remy (Vosges) Mr Louis Ujvari, 40, told the gendarmes of Raon-L'Etape that last Wednesday around 3 a.m., while on his way to work, he had been called on the road by a bulky, medium-sized stranger dressed in a gray jacket with shiny insignias on his shoulders.

The man spoke an unknown language. Mr Ujvari, a Czech national, tried to speak Russian at random. His interlocutor understood it perfectly. "Where am I?" He asked, "in Italy, or in Spain?" He then inquired about the distance to the German border and then asked the time.

(See the continuation on page 4)

A 'Martian' in the Vosges ...

(continuation of the 1st page)

The worker told him it was still 2:30 a.m., the man took out of his jacket a watch that marked 4 o'clock in the morning.

He gave the worker the order to move on. Soon Ujvari saw in the middle of the road a craft in the form of two plates upside down against each other, from which emerged a sort of periscope.

Take off

Arrived at about thirty meters from the craft which was about 1 m. 50 high and 2 m. 50 wide, the stranger tells him to move away. But, bravely, looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvari was able to see the craft slowly rise vertically with a "sewing machine noise". Reaching an altitude of 5OO meters, it took an horizontal trajectory and disappeared in the southern direction.

In addition, testimonies collected over a month ago about the "flying saucers" and flying "cigars" seen in the sky of the peninsula, were the subject of a statement from the Italian Ministry of Defense Forces of the air.

"Until now, the statement said, radar devices did not detect any craft of this kind, with the exception of airplanes and balloons whose characteristics are known."

"Special instructions were given to the heads of the detection stations to intensify surveillance during the twilight hours and at night, during which, according to witnesses, were "flying disks" are seen, the statement added.

"When it comes to the documentation of the "flying disks" owned by the Italian Air Force, it is only a matter, according to the communiqué, of some testimonies from officers who have seen these machines over the thyrrenic coast, moving in a south-north direction at a speed greater than 2,000 kilometers-hour."

October 20th. Raon L'Etage, France. (2:30 a.m.)

In the dead of the night a Czech living in France, M. Lazlo Cyvari [sic], claimed he had encountered a rature human-like saucer pilot near his home in Raon L'Etage. The stranger, Cyvari said, wore a helmet like that worn by motorcyclist and a gray jacket decorated with insignia. The heavy-set pilot showed a gun and conversed in Russian, wanting to know which country he had landed in. The UFO pilot then left in a machine -that looked like two big saucers placed rim to rim. 167.

Russian, British, or ?

Evidently the Czech fellow wanted people to think Stalin's boys were tres passing on NATO territory, however that clashed with the opinion of the noted Italian airman Signor Manor Lualdi who was quoted by the press as saying: "If I had to bet on the origin of the saucers, I would say they are British." 168.

• 167. Vallee, Jacques. Passport to Magonia. pp.146-147.
• 168. Milan, Italy. 20 October 54 (AP)

Case nr14:

On Wednesday, October 20, 1954, Mr. Lazlo Ujvari (40), a worker at the Derrey establishments in Etival and living in Basses-Pierres (hamlet near Saint Rémy (8) 8), went to work on a moped as he did every morning. On the road, a man of average size stops him by saying "Stop!". The stranger, wearing a jacket with a shawl collar trimmed with shiny braid at each shoulder, long pants and hard-soled shoes, wears a hard-shell motorcycle helmet on his head and points a revolver at the witness. He speaks an unknown language in a high-piched voice like that of a woman. Ujvari answers him in Russian and the stranger then engages in a conversation in that language. He asks if he is in Spain or Italy; how far is Germany. The stranger asks for the time and goes off on hearing the answer and taking out his own watch: "you lie, it is 4 o'clock". Then he asks the direction of Marseilles. The humanoid makes Ujvari walk on the road under the threat of his weapon. They then approach a gray vehicle of 2.50 m in diameter to a height of 1.60 m, equipped with a finned rod 60 cm long. The stranger orders the witness to go away. The latter hears a soft whistling sound and, looking back, sees the craft moving straight up and then oblique in the sky.

Explanation: a counter-investigation was undertaken by the CVLDLN in 1979, it turns out again that it is a mistake with a helicopter and its pilot.

Sources: catalog J. Vallée box # 291 page 310 in "Chronicles of apparitions ..."; Liberté de l'Est for 23/10/1954, Est Républicain for October 23 and 24/1954; Lusemburggerwort for 10/23/1954 in "Les Chroniques de la CLEU" # 24 page 24, newspaper L'Alsace for 10/24-25/1954; M. Carrouges "Les apparitions de martiens" pages 95.99 to 101 (where the Russian helicopter hypothesis is put forth), JC. Bourret; M. Figuet page 190.

Cas n° 14:

Le mercredi 20 octobre 1954, M. Lazlo Ujvari (40 ans) ouvrier aux établissements Derrey à Etival et résidant au Basses-Pierres (hameau prés de Saint-Rémy (88) se rend à son travaü en vélomoteur comme chaque matin. Sur la route, un homme de taille moyenne l'arrête en lui criant "Halte!". L'étranger, vêtu d'un blouson a col châle garni de galon brillant à chaque épaule, d'un pantalon long et de souliers à semelle dure, porte sur la tête un casque de motocycliste de matiêre mate et braque un revolver sur le témoin. Il parle une langue inconnue d'une voix aiguë comme celle d'une femme. Ujvari lui répond en russe et l'inconnu engage alors une conversation dans cette langue. Il demande s'il est en Espagne ou en Italie; à quelle distance il se trouve de l'Allemagne. L'étranger demande l'heure et se fâche en entendant la réponse et en sortant sa propre montre: "vous mentez, il est 4 heures". Ensuite, il demande la direction de Marseille. L'humanoïde fuit marcher Ujvari sur la route sous la menace de son arme. Ils s'approchent alors d'un engin gris de 2,50 m de diamètre sur une hauteur de 1.60 m, muni d'une tige à ailettes de 60 cm de long. L'étranger ordonne au témoin de s'éloigner. Ce dernier entend un doux sifflement et en se retournant voit l'engin s'éloigner tout droit puis obliquer dans le ciel.

Explication: une contre-enquête a été entreprise par le CVLDLN en 1979, il s'avère là encore qu'il s'agisse [sic] d'une méprise avec un bélicoptère et son pilote.

Sources: catalogue J.Vallée cas n°291 page 310 dans "Chroniques des apparitions..."; Liberté de l'Est du 13/10/1954; Est Républicain du 23 et 24/10/1954; Luxemburgerwort du 23/10/1954 dans "Les Chroniques de la CLEU" n°24 page 24; journal L'Alsace du 24/25/10/1954; M.Carrouges "les appartions de Martiens" pages 95,99 à 101 (ou l'hypothèse hélicoptêre russe est avonçéel), JC.Bouret; M.Figuet page 190.

85 - October 20, 2:30 a.m., Saint-Rémy, Vosges.

Mr. Lazlo (or Louis) Ujvari, 40 years old.

The witness, a night worker, had just left his home on his bicycle to go to his employer, the Derey Establishments, building materials in Estival. He is a former legionnaire, father of five children, residing in a small isolated farm, at a place called Le Las, along the road from St. Rémy to the Fraipertuis valley. Barely had he made a few hundred meters that he had to dismount, the track being repaired. Suddenly, he hears a short sound, like an order to stop. A man steps forward, holding what looks like a gun in one hand. The individual is about 1.65m tall, wears linen pants, an open-collar jacket lined with skin, a balaclava-type cap. The stranger begins to speak in a language unknown to the witness. As this one is of Slovak origin, he ventures to say to the foreigner that he understands Russian, and immediately the latter speaks to him in this language. The man then asks two questions: "Where am I? In Spain? In Italy?"; then: "How far am I from the German border?". Mr. Ujvari provides him with the requested information without being asked. Suddenly, the man asks him the time, which is given to him: 2:30. With his free hand, the strange character takes a watch out of his pocket, looks at it and exclaims:

"You're lying! It's 04:00! How far and in what direction is Marseilles?". The witness still gives him the details requested (Note that the man pronounced Massilla, and not Marseille). Here the dialogue ends. The man then said, "Go now!". Mr. Ujvari didn't have to be told twice, and started to walk away, followed by his "bodyguard". However, now on the road he sees a craft about 1.60 high and a diameter of about 3m, squarely placed on the roadway. Passing by, he brushes the object and can see that it was a discoidal craft formed of two identical parts like two enormous plates glued edge to edge. On the upper part, he notes the presence of a sort of corkscrew-shaped antenna ending in fins. The individual says another short sentence (still in Russian): "And now, farewell!". Mr. Ujvari gets on his bike and takes off. After 200 meters, he stops. He then sees that a headlight has been lit on the dome, projecting a beam of light vertically. In a hissing sound that grows louder, he distinguishes the saucer which rises slowly vertically, like a helicopter. Arrived at a height of ten meters, the craft veers, accelerates its speed and disappears towards Saint-Dié.

No traces could be found where the object had landed. Another curious detail: the man was wearing shoes whose soles rang on the cobblestones of the road! Mr. Ujvari did tell his story well to his fellow workers, but it was met only with skepticism and ridicule. However, his insistence ends up convincing some of them. And it was only when the rumor reached the mayor of St. Rémy, Mr. Armand Cunin, that the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape were notified and came to investigate on the spot. Shortly after, the Commissioner of General Intelligence of Epinal, Mr. Moleur, accompanied by two inspectors, arrived in turn. According to the journalist who made this report, Jean Thernier, the witness is a serious man, whose declarations were welcomed with a certain credit in the circles of the investigators. It seems that in the light of this affair, the reporter is tempted to interpret the phenomenon of flying saucers as being machines based on our old planet (of Soviet origin, but he does not write it), with a revolutionary propulsion system based on the use of nuclear energy!

Local source: La Liberté de l'Est, Epinal, October 23-24, 1954, p.? and? (D.0. 67 and 68).

Note: Yet another aberrant case. After a French ufonaut, a Russian one! Not to mention their extremely deficient navigation system since they are both looking for their way! And not to mention the watch which is not even tuned to a time zone, which are shifted from hour to hour, and not from hour and a half to hour and a half! Let's move on to the outfit, which has absolutely nothing exotic, but seems rather vernacular! A hoax enthusiast would have produced something certainly less insane than this absurd and grotesque scenario. The reader surely noticed that the ufonaut behaved like a soldier dealing with another soldier (rude and brief order to stop, handgun...). But the witness is a former legionnaire! Adaptation on the psyche? See also my rehabilitation chap. 1, case #16 [*].

The case of Saint-Rémy, Voges, of October 20, 1954, at 02:30 a.m., is also an abuse of interpretation by B & B. Mr. Lazlo Ujvari, the witness, was allegedly deceived by two Polish workers who were the authors of a hoax, if we are to rely on what they claim in Inforespace, special issue, #3. Indeed, an investigation by L.D.L.N. did not make it possible to find the two alleged "jokers", but on the contrary, it confirmed the statements of the witness. Note that the time of observation (2:30 a.m.) is not particularly favorable and ideal for making a joke...

186.

Location. Raon-l'Etape, Vosges France

Date: October 20 1954

Time: 0230A

Lazlo Ujvari, going to work late at night, encountered a heavy set man of medium height wearing a gray jacket with insignias on the shoulders, and a motorcycle helmet, which threatened him with a revolver and spoke words he did not understand. Ujvari spoke Russian to him and got a reply in that language. The unknown man then asked whether he was in Spain or Italy; then, what time it was. "0230", said Ujvari. "You lie," replied the man, taking out his own watch and announcing "Four o'clock!" He then escorted Ujvari past an inverted dish shaped, lightless saucer bearing a 2-foot antenna, which took up almost the whole width of the road. After 30 yards, he said, he said "Adieu!" After a few paces, Ujvari looked back; with a whine like an electric motor, the saucer rose vertically.

Humcat 1954-110

Source: Pierre Masson and Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia

Type: C

Hello

i am the grandson of mr Ujvari, and I can assure you that it really is the truth, because some years ago my father told me about it, and then i asked my grandfather if it was true. Then he became very strange and he told me that it was true. That was 5 years ago he was aged 85, he barely stood on his legs etc. But what he told me i knew it was true. they even showed me the field where he saw this famous saucer.

i hope i get an answer thanks and keep on going...

On this Day

October 20

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1954 - At 2:30 a.m. Lazlo Ujvari, age 40, saw a dark domed disc in Raon-l'Etape, France that made a whining noise. He was suddenly confronted by a man wearing a jacket, boots, and some type of cloth headgear, like a pilot's leather helmet. The man pointed a gun at him and said something he could not understand. When Ujvari spoke to him in Russian, the man answered in the same language. He asked whether he was in Spain or Italy, and how far he was from Germany. When he asked the time, Ujvari said "2:30." The man took out a watch and said "You lie, it's 4:00." Then he wanted to know how far away and in what direction was Marseilles. He forced Ujvari to walk with him on the road, and they soon came to a gray craft with an antenna on top. The man left him there and went aboard. When Ujvari had walked about 200 meters from the craft he heard a soft whistling sound and saw it fly straight up, then take an oblique trajectory. (Sources: Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, p. 235; Michel Carrouges, Les Apparitions de Martiens, p. 99).

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Wednesday, October 20, 1954

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02:30 : Raon-l' Etape (France), Lazlo Ujvari (aged 40) is suddenly confronted with 1 man wearing a jacket, boots and a helmet like a pilot, pointing a rifle in his direction and saying something that he cannot understand. When Ujvari speaks to him Russian, the man answers in the same language, asks whether he were in Spain or in Italy and at which distance he is from Germany. When he asks the hour and Ujvari answers him 02:30, the man takes his watch and says You lie, it is 4 h. Then he wants to know at which distance and in which direction Marseilles is. He makes Ujvari walk on the road with him and they approach a gray ship with an antenna on the top, when it is at approximately 200 m, he hear a soft whsiting sound and see the object flying away straight up, then take an oblique trajectory.

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Lorraine - The visitors from the sky

From the autumn 1954 on, the skies of our areas were the theatre of strange demonstrations. Invaders came from space...

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More extreme still, the report by a workman of Russian origin, living the Vosges, who stated to have dialogued in his mothertongue with the pilot of a strange machine...

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That year [1954], some witnesses even went so far as to tell how their vehicles stalled near one of these mysterious devices, such as on October 20, 1954, in Turquestein and then Saint-Quirin (the Moselle) the next day. The paralysis of witnesses is also a recurring element. In Bois-de-Champ, in the Vosges, on April 24, 1954, a woodcutter attempted to cut a saucer with his axe, which had stood before him when he was thrown back and immobilized against a rock. On October 20, 1954, on his way to work at night in Saint-Rémy (near Raon-l'Etape-Vosges), a worker of Slovak origin reported more surprisingly than a silhouette, holding what resembled a revolver, immobilized him before turning to him in an unknown language and then talking... in Russian! Funny "third kind"... When he could finally leave, the stunned man passed in front of a gray vessel with an antenna in the form of a corkscrew. This astonishing testimony of course suffered from the controversy...

*Oct. 20, 1954 - At 2:30 a.m. Lazlo Ujvari, age 40, saw a dark domed disc in Raon-l'Etape, Vosges, France that made a whining noise. He was suddenly confronted by a man wearing a jacket, boots, and some type of cloth headgear, like a pilot's leather helmet. The man pointed a gun at him and said something he could not understand. When Ujvari spoke to him in Russian, the man answered in the same language. He asked whether he was in Spain or Italy, and how far he was from Germany. When he asked the time, Ujvari said "2:30." The man took out a watch and said "You lie, it's 4:00." Then he wanted to know how far away and in what direction was Marseilles. He forced Ujvari to walk with him on the road, and they soon came to a gray craft with an antenna on top. The man left him there and went aboard. When Ujvari had walked about 200 meters from the craft he heard a soft whistling sound and saw it fly straight up, then take an oblique trajectory. (Sources: Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, p. 235, case 291; Michel Carrouges, Les Apparitions de Martiens, p. 99).

Location: Raon-l ‘Etape, Vosges France

Date: October 20 1954

Time: 0230A

Lazlo Ujvari, going to work late at night, encountered a heavy set man of medium height wearing a gray jacket with insignias on the shoulders, and a motorcycle helmet, which threatened him with a revolver and spoke words he did not understand. Ujvari spoke Russian to him and got a reply in that language. The unknown man then asked whether he was in Spain or Italy; then, what time it was. ‘0230”, said Ujvari. “You lie,” replied the man, taking out his own watch and announcing “Four o’clock!” He then escorted Ujvari past an inverted dish shaped, lightless saucer bearing a 2-foot antenna, which took up almost the whole width of the road. After 30 yards, he said, he said ‘Adieu!” After a few paces, Ujvari looked back; with a whine like an electric motor, the saucer rose vertically.

Source: Pierre Masson & Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia 291

October 20 1954. 0230hrs.

RAON L'ETAPE (VOGES [sic] : FRANCE)

Lazlo Ujvari was suddenly confronted by a man wearing a jacket, boots and cloth headgear (like a pilot's), who pointed a gun at him and said something that he could not understand. When Ujvari spoke to him in Russian, the stranger replied in the same language and asked whether he was in Spain or Italy, and how far he was from Germany. When asked the time, Ujvari said 0230. The man took his watch and said "You lie, its 4.00 o clock". He then wanted to know how far and in what direction Marseilles was. He made Ujvari walk on the road with him, and they came close to a grey craft with an antenna on top. When he was about 200m away, Ujvari heard a soft whistling sound and he saw the craft fly straight up, then take an oblique trajectory.

• Vallee 1969 p146 + Case 291 citing Carrouges 1964 p99
• Gross 1954. citing Le [sic] Liberte de l'Est 23 October 1954 + Jacques Bergier in ParisPresse + Le Quotidien de le [sic] Haut [sic] Loire both 24 October 1954. + Guieu 1956b pp226 + Carrouges op cit + Figuet and Ruchon 1979 p190

Evaluation - Possibly a Russian helicopter (would these have been flying around France in 1954) or a hoax to promote the Russian secret weapon theory, or possibly a micro-sleep episode)