The big news Mexican military UFO report of March 5, 2004:

"It is noteworthy to remember that all the military personnel on this type of missions, is composed of highly qualified people, because they operate in a very significant sector of national safety. By taking account of this, it is interesting and surprising to listen to the audio recording of the mission, how the expressions of the members of the crew went from emotion to shock. Thus, when we listen to the conversations between them, we hear expressions like "guys, today is our lucky day." Of all, that which we regard as the most memorable moment of the recording is when they say: "guys... we are not alone..."

THE FACTS: On April 20, 2004 Jaime Maussan was contacted by a high officer of the Department of Defense to have a private meeting and discuss a subject of a high relevant matter. The next day Maussan met General Clemente Vega Garcia, Secretary of Defense and his major staff and was informed about an incident that took place on March 5, 2004 on the aerial space of Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche where an Air Force Merlín C26A Bimotor airplane was doing a routine flight to detect a smuggling drug airplane during an ant-narcotics operation.

The Merlin C26A was equipped with a high tech advanced digital equipment to register and record all the activities during the operation. Powerful sensor detectors like a FLIR STAR ZAPPHIR II [SAPPHIRE II] and a RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 were being used by qualified personal aboard the airplane and all the operation was being recorded both in normal and infrared mode. The airplane was under the command of Mayor Magdaleno Jasso Núñez.

The FLIR operator was Lt. Mario Adrián Vázquez and the RADAR operator Lt. German Ramirez, all of them members of the 501 Aerial Squadron. This airplane is programmed only for surveillance and detection procedures, not for interception or combat manoeuvres. Their duty is to detect and identify drug dealers flights and then immediately report them to the base where combat planes are scrambled to intercept those narcotics smugglers. At approximately 17:00 PM the Merlin C26A detected an unknown traffic at 10,500 feet over Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche airspace and according to the protocol and suspecting a drug dealer airplane Mayor Magdaleno Jasso made a manoeuver to approach the unidentified traffic at certain range to get a close look and record the target with their equipment.

At the same time Mayor Jasso reported by radio to the base that a possible suspect was detected requesting the interceptor planes to be in alert condition. The RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 was detecting the unknown traffic and the FLIR STAR ZAPPHIR II was recording the object in infrared. As the Merlin C26A tried to approach the unknown traffic to make a visual identification it suddenly in a surprising manoeuver escaped flying away at tremendous speed.

By this time Mayor Jasso tried to persecute the target but it was very fast. All this was being recorded by the FLAIR and also the radio conversations with the base describing the unexpected manoeuver of the unknown. However the C26A still have not made visual contact with the unknown object. Just some moments passed when suddenly the unknown object returned and began following the Merlin C26A in a surprising situation.

This was detected by the RADAR and the FLIR while the personal aboard were trying to make visual contact of the unidentified traffic now following them. In seconds the equipment detected now not only one but two traffics following them. The images in both RADAR and the FLIR were clear and unmistakable. But both pilot and personal still couldn’t have visual contact with these two traffics following them adding a great suspense to this disconcerting situation. Mayor Magdaleno Jasso reported to the base the incident that was taking place giving detail of all the information registered by the equipment while keep trying to make visual contact of the unknowns. The FLIR kept recording in infrared every movement made by the two unknown objects that seemed to be keeping their distance from the C26A but still following it. The personal aboard the Merlin C26A were confused and disconcerted seeing the images on the FLIR and the RADAR asking themselves what was going on with this situation.

THE INCIDENT TURNS MORE DRAMATIC

But the stressing moment that the C26A crew were passing through was just the beginning of something more dramatic that will turn their undesirable experience into a real nightmare. Some minutes passed while the Mexican Air Force Merlin C26A crew continued making manoeuvers to have a visual contact of the unknowns because despite both RADAR and FLIR were showing perfectly clear both unidentified objects for unexplained reasons there was not a visual contact even that the objects by this time were at close range. It was during this round and round manoeuvers to identify these two objects that something amazing happened. In a matter of seconds more unknown objects arrived to the scene and the disconcert of the C26A crew was total.

The RADAR and the FLIR detected immediately the presence of nine new objects of the same size and characteristics, unknown objects that arrived to the scene surprisingly like coming from nowhere.

Now the situation has entered into a high level of danger so Mayor Magdaleno Jasso reported by radio to the base this new situation requesting instructions. But the most bizarre thing was that even though there were eleven unknown objects close to them, still the crew couldn’t see them, no visual contact with the unknowns was possible for some reason never experienced before by these high trained men. However the high tech sophisticated equipment and sensors were not lying, there were eleven targets outside them with unpredictable intentions.

At the middle of a complete confusion and disconcert among the C26A crew the unknown objects suddenly made a manoeuver surrounding the Mexican Air Force airplane in a circle at close range. The RADAR and FLIR presented an image of an eleven objects near by in a circle formation around the Merlin C26A. The situation turned out of control. Mayor Magdaleno Jasso reported to the base that the C26A situation was now in red alert, surrounded by eleven mysterious round shaped objects camouflaged with a certain unknown advanced technology that avoid any visual contact of them.

However Mayor Jasso kept the calm as well as the crew who were working fast measuring and recording every detail of this unique incident conscientious of their duty as military and trained men. Confronting this situation surrounded by unidentified objects in an unpredictable ending Mayor Magdaleno Jasso took the decision of turning out all the airplane lights and wait to see what happened. Moments of high suspense lived by the crew while the FLIR was recording the images of those bright objects even that visual contact was not possible, moments of silence and uncertainty.

The C26A crew kept calmed doing their duty, documenting every moment of the strange incident while Mayor Jasso continued in contact with the base. After some stressing minutes the eleven objects disappeared giving an end to the strange experience that these members of the 501 Aerial Squadron just lived. The Merlin C26A returned safe to the Air Force Base and Mayor Magdaleno Jasso prepared a complete report of the incident along with the C26A crew. The Secretary of the Defense took notice of Mayor Jasso's report and began a full investigation studying and evaluating every element of the case.

Statements of the crew, images, lectures, measurements of all the equipment as well as a complete evaluation of the meteorological data were provided. The incident was taken very seriously by the Department of Defense Staff and after several weeks of investigation they decided under the command of General Clemente Vega Garcia to contact researcher and TV journalist Jaime Maussan for a special collaboration in this investigation as an experienced researcher in these matters. On April 22, 2004 General Clemente Vega, Secretary of Defense gave Jaime Maussan a copy of all the tapes and data collected by the Merlin C26A during the incident for study, evaluation and analysis by Maussan's research team as complement of this investigation and as an external collaborating source trying to establish a definition of the possible motives and consequences of the March 5, 2004 incident.

General Vega as well as his staff were very open to discuss the subject and showed their legitimate interest in conducting this investigation in order to establish the truth of what happened. General Vega authorized the Merlin C26A crew to give Jaime Maussan the interviews needed without any censorship, giving all the facilities to present this case to the Mexican people, an historic and unprecedented decision that will open a new era of mutual collaboration among the Mexican ufologists and the military forces, a collaboration based in respect and interest to find the truth of the intense UFO activity we have been experiencing here in Mexico since the beginning of the Amazing Mexican UFO Wave back in July 11, 1991.

This new era of relationship among the Mexican UFO witnesses, skywatchers, ufologists and our military forces will try to establish and give form to a new legislation in our law system focused to be prepared for any incident involving these unidentified flying objects, our people, our commercial and military airplanes etc. for learning and understanding what are we going to do and how are we going to confront this reality.

ANALYSIS OF OBJECT DETECTED ABOVE CIUDAD DEL CARMEN ON MARCH 5, 2004

Studies based on qualitative data provided by the thermal detector in the infra-red spectrum (FLIR)

Study written by:
Rodolfo Garrido Cotham

GENERAL REFERENCES:

Date of event: March 5, 2004.
Time of event: from 05:00 P.M. to 05:30 P.M.
Event: During a mission.
Location: Aerial sector of the city of Del Carmen at 10.500 feet.
Coordinates: LAT N 18° 26.60´ : LON W 90° 45.69´
Detection Equipment: STAR ZAFIRO II FLIR, AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 RADAR
Radio detection: 50 miles.
FLIR bandwidth: from -40°C to 1,500°C
Camera lens: Germanium.
Airplane: Merlín C26A Bimotor

INVOLVED OFFICERS:

Flight commander: Major Magdaleno Jasso Núñez
FLIR operator: Lieutenant Mario Adrián Vázquez
Radar operator: Lieutenant Germán Ramírez
All members of Air Squadron 501

EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS OF THE PHENOMENON.

1. Detection of luminous object correlated via FLIR and radar.
2. Non-detection of the objects although they were in radar and FLIR range
3. Non-detection of the objects by [ground] military radar set.
4. Non-detection of acoustic noise from the objects.
5. Non-detection of communications and no identification from the objects [When contacted by radio, IFF or transponder, objects gave no reply].

PRELIMINARY ANALYTICAL APPROCH.

The equipment specified in the section of General References establishes only the detection of the movement in the case of the Radar, and a presence of heat marked by a difference with the basic temperature [in the case of the FLIR].

The specified FLIR provides only images of qualitative and nonquantitative value. Thus the data collected and provided by the officials indicate only visual parameters [apparent] and not quantified numerical parameters.

More sophisticated equipment makes it possible to store in a standard PCMCIA card a total of 170 Mb of information, which consist of digital representations of each pixel by providing information of the quantity of temperature per pixel, the distances and the specific contour of the form.

In the absence of such equipment and this information, the images only make it possible to establish in an optical and deductive manner some aspects of the chemical, electric, magnetic and electromagnetic nature and some interesting elated phenomena in connection with the systems which are found in the environment, of the objects of study such as unusual halations, clouds, reflections and the study of relief.

GENERAL CONDITIONS.

The area in which the flight took place benefited of prefect weather conditions, of winds not faster than 35 km/h, a relative humidity of 72% and an average temperature of 34°C. At 10.000 feet of altitude, the average temperature is -27°C and the average visibility is 96%.

The area does not have a volcanic activity, nor tectonic movements. No power stations or power storage or and distribution systems of electrical current of importance are located there.

On the basis of the previous notes, no sources of electric or magnetic phenomena from power stations or seismic movements, no possibility of effects of fireball effects or volcanic activity were found.

No solar storm was recorded at this time, nor of significant solar explosions, which eliminates the luminous effects of ionization like Saint Telmo fires [sic. Saint Elme] or thunderstorms.

ANALYSIS.

Given the lack of quantitative values by the equipment, we can only draw up qualitative estimates starting from the images and experiments of the operators in the tower, in such a manner, that the detected patterns which follow are signs of a logical explanation fitting normal things of aviation technology as they are known throughout the world and which represent what is conventional.

In the following image, we observe two symmetrical objects of spherical nature, suspended at some 10.700 feet, of luminous conditions, of radiant type, which show the the emission of a hot halation for each one of them.

The observed conditions allow the analysis of the following points.

1. - The observed halations which follow indicate a magnetic pattern according to the model of the standard a2 Dynamo type.

This model is proposed by Dr in Physics and Mathematical S. Childress, who in its treaty of kinematics established the way one can obtain fields of the toroidal type and with poles similar to that produced by the electromagnetic field of the whole planet.

His model JB' /Jt - kmV2B = (v - B0) determines the magnetic field derived from the fluctuating parts of each object. With this model, the circuits formed by the fields are similar to those observed in the image, this is why one determines that the halation is presented thus.

2. - The induced field is radial and is propagated in a concentric way at a distance of 13 times the diameter of the object, note that the clouds do not present any halation although the FLIR detects a thermal emission coming from them, which shows visually that the halation is not produced by an emission or a thermal reflection of the sun, but a means of thermal dissipation thanks to the electromagnetic field present in the studied objects. The systems of current air transport do not depend on these principles for their lift and move by the means of the mechanics of the fluids, and of the dynamics of the fluids in homogeneous medium, the systems of magnetic dynamics are governed on the basis of emission of stationary sources of energy on the ground being given the great consumed quantities and their generation. There is no existing technology so far to allow so great requests for energies in reduced systems of size and even less in systems closed and autonomous like would be an air vessel. The production of an induced field as one sees it in the image, requires to produce at least an average magnetic field from 200.000 Gauss. Such a power is only obtained by certain laboratories having important systems of control and safety. I do not see how that could be obtained in an autonomous way in an object isolated in the atmosphere.

3. - No matter how the previous model originates, it is formalized in the mathematical relations provided by Maxwell:

VxH = J + JD/Jt

VxE = - JB/Jt

V * B = 0

V * D = Pe

These can support the presence of magnetic fields of Turbulent Dynamo type, those same which were developed by Dr. in Astrophysics E.N. Parker (B = B0 + b), while being at the origin of the secondary fields which could be likely to correspond to a technological will, so that they can support the presence and represent what would be vortices of a greater energy and being the hearths of thermal attraction for the thermal sensors of the FLIR, As we note it in the lower part of the image. These principles are only found in the behavior of stellar bodies, not in current technology, since the fields are so intense that we do not lay out yet the development as well scientific as technological to obtain them. It is advisable to clarify that these disturbances are not the hearths of the field which produces the object, since as one can see the concentric radial field of each object he does not have as a center of reference the point where he is detected by the FLIR. The reference of origin is the same central object.

The magnetic field of one of the objects is larger than that of the other, indicating by there that they are independent between them, by indicating most probably which one of them is slightly further that the other, or if necessary, that it emits a weaker field.

4. - The stereoscopic images [the analyst used the emboss effect of some graphic software] show us the presence of two masses which move in a second plan in comparison to the mass of the clouds shows it, by indicating to us that the echo collected by the effect of magnetic resonance of the radar is correct and real, again confirming the agreement with the correspondingvdetection of the FLIR, this indicating that the two radars detect a thermal presence and a presence of mass in the same place and at the same time.

The stereoscopic image also shows that the emitted field disturbs the environment also by leaving a trace in relief on the atmosphere in the peripheral zone of the objects. Facing this evidence shown in this image, the fact that the objects could not be seen with the naked eye cannot be explained, considering that those were not farther away than two miles of distance, unless these objects emitted in the spectrum of the infrared, so that they this do not correspond to any known technology of air transport, which do not use such principles.

On this point, I present some technological suggestions of avant-garde on the camouflages worked out by the University of Tokyo later on.

5. - Another distinctive element in this analysis of the detected objects which deserves to be underlined is as follows:

The combination of observed magnetic field which jointly surrounds these objects within their displacement, is at the origin of its deformation which is very typical of those awaited in the electrodynamics of the magnetic fields in medium homogeneous.

This means that the magnetic field produces a friction within the magnetic medium present in the atmosphere while being at the origin of the phenomena of ionization at the time when one of them tends to move.

This movement causes a typical deformation on the field produced by the object, so that, being given the magnetic induction of the object, it is deformed while being directed towards the ionic zone of discharge to justify its balance with the environment. This zone is by nature opposed to its direction of displacement, producing a trail of the "jet" type and a deformation of the field in this direction. This phenomena with its details as one can see it in these images, are another element which justifies and gives evidence that these objects have intense magnetic fields for their navigation, and their antigravitational lift.

6. - Another important aspect is as follows: it is still an inexorable universal law. Entropy, ò¶Q/T £ 0, in other words the principle of chaos.

Random aspects of natural events are based on this universal law, this is why natural systems tend to this principle, therefore the occurence of aerial formations of these objects as it is visible in these images do not obey this natural law, on the contrary they correspond to antinatural controlled events which are necessarily of a technological nature by their controlled navigation.

The detected evidence recorded by the officers on this mission showing that the objects made a 180° turn when they [the crew] received the order to return, show that there is an action by these objects, deliberated, with an intent, and intelligent.

In addition the formations are symmetrical and they are repeated in similar groups of formations. The fact that these objects are coming towards the military airplane is described as being of a strategic nature, so that the officers who benefit from a preparation and a qualification in military tactic detect that in agreement with the movement and the distribution that these objects took, they considered that they were encircled by them. So much so that they took tactical measures at the time to extinguish the plane's lights.

Although there was no other evidence of aggression or threat by these objects, their movements and formations correspond to tactical operations, ordered, pre-deliberated and intelligent.

7. - As regards to the thermal sources detected and indicated by the FLIR in the following image, it is advisable to make an observation of a detail of this phenomenon.

Initially, the question arose of knowing if these luminous points formed part physically of a whole object or if on the contrary they should be regarded as independent of them... Our initial approaches indicated that they formed integral part of them, by constituting a kind of extension of their structures; a thorough analysis however revealed than it can be a question of a magnetic mirage in agreement with the following signals and the following principles of mathematical physics of fields of the synchrotonic type.

This can be observed in the following manner: initially the radial fields produce a concentric propagation which draws halations whose changes of frequency are what gives the proof of their existence.

In addition, the two sources of light are placed under the radiant objects and not in another position, i.e., they are not placed at the sides nor either above the object.

The answer can be discovered with the following observation and the following assumption:

The sources are precisely in the radial frequency of the first visible halation, one observes that the source does not show a physical connection with the larger sphere.

On the basis that these objects have a mass, that this mass is attracted towards the center of this mass larger which is the ground and than the ground is under the objects, we must establish by that that the vector of gravity of their mass points downwards and not in another direction.

By considering that the halations are evidence of intense and dynamic magnetic fields, we must establish that the interaction between the magnetic field of the largest sphere and the vector of the gravity which is also a force, interact in a way radial and physical, by producing an energy vortex which in its turn, emits light and heat, to which the sensors of the FLIR are sensitive and that they detect.

Modelling for this vortex were already established by science, initially during year 1965 by Dr in Quantum Physics Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize during this same year, who described in its Theory of Quantum Electrodynamics, that in the interaction of two fields of forces of which one is not magnetic, produced in a natural manner, a quantum field of torsion is produced which behaves as a spring, whose direction is opposed to the normal vector of reference.

Laws which govern this principle were established by Dr. V. Vladimirsky in 1949, who from there began the theory of synchrotonic radiations, whose principle and formulation are shown in the following figure.

INVISIBILITY

Dr Susumu Tachi of the University of Tokyo developed the currently most advanced techniques of camouflage, known under designations "Crystaline Vision" or "XTAL VISION" which allows an effect of invisibility onto the matter.

The initial technique in its phase 1 consisted of this:

• A detection device which combines moving images and is able to remotely reflect them in parts of clothing, creates the illusion of transparency of the matter and a pseudo invisibility, as was verified by Japanese engineer Susumu Tachi, of the University of Tokyo.

The result of the experiment is surprising, because thanks to the optical device, the person who makes the experiment is transparent. The used technique is called optical Camouflage and is based on a very simple idea: if an image of what is behind a person is projected on the front clothes he wears, the illusion that his body is transparent is created.

The technique can be applied to a real moving scene through retro-reflectors, a collection of mirrors which reflect at various angles some given space. It is this retro-reflector which, strategically located, gathers light from things hidden by a material object and offers to the observer a stereoscopic image of "the other side"; it results in the misleading illusion that the material object is transparent. The goal of this work on virtual reality consists in, on the one hand, developing a device which makes it possible to an observer to touch a virtual object as if it were real. For this purpose, Xtal vision is also employed, to obtain a very adequate effect of "enhanced reality". This enhanced reality is such as it makes it possible to confuse, or to unify, a virtual scene with a real scene in such a manner that a real hand is observed when it acts in a virtual space.

In addition, this work develops what is called optical camouflage. It is the technique which produces an illusion that objects appear invisible, thanks to a perfect synchronization obtained between the real objects and what is virtual. This work is developed in the Tachi Laboratory, of the University of Tokyo, at the leading edge in the development of innovating applications in the field of virtual reality. In addition to invisibility, the project also works on tele-existence, which consists in handling remote objects, or to get objects in virtual spaces, individual or shared, in which a feeling of real presence is developed.

At this time, phase 2 of this new and surprising optical effect is to try to incorporate this optical technology in nanotechnologic membranes, which membranes will incorporate the optical technology necessary for this stereoscopic effect.

In appendix, archive animations of these optical developments provided by Dr. Susumu Tachi itself.

This camouflage system could make a mass apparently invisible, but would still let heat be recorded through infra-red sensors as well as electromagnetic resonances by means of radars.

REFERENCES

• 1.- GENERATION OF PLANETARY MAGNETIC FIELDSS, Ana Leonor Rivera López, Instituto de Geofísica UNAM
• 2.- New solution for cenimatic systems probles, S. Childress J. Match 1, 205
• 3.- Quantum Physics, Resnick Ed. Limusa
• 4.- Thermodynamics, Gordon Van Wylen Limusa

Rodolfo Garrido Cotham

Source: Fundacion Cosmos AC and Milenio de Monterrey
Date: May 12, 2004

Material Not Turned Over to Scientists Because We Do Not Know Them"

Suspicious that SEDENA did not turn over the video to scientists

The videos showing strange objects picked up by military aircraft were turned over to Jaime Maussan because he is a person "who has been interested all of his life" in the study of said phenomena, and was not given to scientists from institutions of higher learning "perhaps because we do not know them or know who they might be," according to General Gerardo Clemente Vega Garcia, Secretary of Defense.

"I have no objections to scientists analyzing this and seeing it, nor do I have any reason to wonder why we didn't turn it over to them - perhaps because we do not know them or know who they might be. Under no circumstances can I suspect any bad faith in the matter," said Vega with regard to the statements collected by MILENIO regarding the delivery of evidence to the UFO researcher, rather than requesting validation from scientific organizations.

The Defense Secretary likewise rejected that this could be a distraction on the part of the federal government, as some policy watchers have suggested, especially as the Ahumada case reached its zenith and affected diplomatic relations with Cuba. "I don't engage in such things, "said the military man.

In an interview with the "Hoy por Hoy" radio show hosted by Carlos Loret de Mola, Vega Garcia remarked that upon seeing the recording "I thought that with the amount of drug traffic in the southeast, these could be drug-carrying aircraft. That was my first impression, because we are constantly working on this. Two days ago we captured a private plane with drugs, but when I discerned it along with (other experts), seeing the lights behind the airplane, its nose and its sides, I told myself there couldn't be so many aircraft."

He added that "of course, the phenomenon is unexplained" and made it clear that Mexican military personnel "never speak of UFOs or saucers or anything like that - only the sighting of very strange contacts, incomprehensible in that situation, since there was absolutely nothing flying in the area, according to reports from the Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche airport."

The Defense Secretary acknowledged that there were those who said that "we are here to distract the public's attention from the current situation. That is not my purpose, nor do I as a military man engage in such things."

He acknowledged, however, that there are those who believe in a distraction theory "and have the right to think as freely as the may, but I can guarantee that there is no effort of such a nature."

It was remarked that it is unusual for a government or military agency such as the Secretary of Defense (SEDENA) to take the decision to publish a document of such a nature. He was asked if he had any personal hypothesis about what is shown in the recordings. He replied: "I have no hypothesis. All I can say is that those white spots are there, they were recorded, and that is all the information we have."

Finally, he pointed out that this "can in no way" be considered a matter of national security, acknowledging that in the U.S. there is much talk about sightings all over the world. "There is a community interested in seeing this, but that is far from me. All I do is make the media available. There it is - there are no complications nor is there anything extraordinary about it," adding that if any researcher or scientist is interested in seeing the material, it will be at their disposal at SEDENA.

Translation (c) Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology.
Special thanks to Ing. Marco Reynoso.

From: Santiago Yturria
To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 00:53:55 -0500
Sujet: Mexico's FLIR Rep On AF UFO Case

As part of the investigation, the FLIR representative for Mexico, Mr. Gilberto Rocha, was interviewed by Jaime Maussan regarding the images recorded by the FLIR STAR SAFIRE II aboard the Mexican Air Force Merlin airplane during the March 5, 2004 incident over the Campeche area.

NOTE: The comments and opinions expresed by Mr. Gilberto Rocha are his own, based on his experience and knowledge of the FLIR STAR SAFIRE II operational functions and do not necesarely represent FLIR Systems, Inc.'s opinion and points of view.

Question: Mr. Rocha, you just have reviewed some images recorded by the Air Force during an anti-narcotics operation over Campeche on March 5, 2004. What is your opinion about them?

Answer: These are interesting images because they are not common. I will try to explain myself. The human eye perceives certain light frequencies that the sun emits. Beyond these frequencies the human eye doesn't have the capacity to perceive those images. The infrared source or the infrared rays can only be detected with the FLIR or with special cameras that can detect infrared radiation.

The equipment the Air Force is using has the capacity to detect visible images and infrared images. The images that we saw from the Air Force footage correspond to objects that emit temperature - they are emitting heat and they are emitting radiation to the exterior and the camera is reading this.

These images may have low resolution because of the distance that we are measuring, but represent round-shaped objects that cannot be compared to any known object that we have been looking for in our air space.

Question: Could these have been any kind of conventional aircraft?

Answer: No, because conventional aircraft have very well defined temperature in their turbines and in front where friction is registered, therefore they could not be seen as rounded lights.

If we had a closer image of the objects, perhaps we could have a better definition of the shape of these objects but due to the information we have, these objects are round-shaped and we cannot consider them as airplanes.

Question: Any possibility of the objects being a helicopter?

Answer: No, it's the same case: the turbine and blades would be the point of highest temperature defining the shape of the helicopter and it would be always a known shape not a round- shaped object.

Question: If these objects are not any known aircraft what do you think they are?

Answer: In the strict sense of the word, avoiding any distortion or confusion, these are objects that fly and we cannot identify.

Question: Is it possible that the FLIR could have been giving us false information, that these high temperature readings were non-existent?

Answer: Negative, because in the images we are seeing clouds that have a higher temperature than the ambient average temperature, and we can see the cloud silhouettes because the FLIR is detecting their infrared frequency.

The objects that we are seeing are the points of higest temperature there. Personally, I have never seen anything like this. My experience with these cameras is completely industrial, we analyse a whole variety of industrial appliances as well as for the electrical industry, but for me the case of the Mexican Air Force is very unusual.

From: Santiago Yturria
To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:07:29 -0500
Subject: Mexico's Meteorological Expert On 03-05-04 Conditions

These are the statements made by Alberto Hernandez Unzon yesterday, during an interview on television about the Mexican Air Force UFO case.

Engineer in Geophysics Alberto Hernandez is sub-manager of the National Meteorological Services, Mexico's official meteorological center. He is also a Member of the Scientific Advisory Commitee of the National System for Civil Protection, and Member of the Hurricane Committee of the Worldwide Meteorological Association.

Question: Alberto, you made the National Meteorological Service's complete study of the March 5, 2004 meteorological conditions over the Campeche area. What are the results?

Answer: According to the satellite images, the conditions registered in the observatories and the satellite RADAR images, there were stable conditions in the entire Campeche zone. In the specific area of interest in this issue, there were cloud formations and some stratus clouds that are stable conditions for this season.

There were no rains registered and the cloud type was very stable as we can see in these satellite images and the Air Force video.

Question: There have been some statements pointing that there were flash-lightning conditions in the area at that time. What were the conditions at that time?

Answer: Meteorologically speaking, a lightning flash is of a short duration and short intensity. That's the basic definition. We have all witnessed an electrical storm at sometime. Special conditions are required for an electrical storm - big, vertical clouds and a completely unstable atmosphere, ionization in the atmosphere and the meteorological systems that create that type of cloud.

Question: That means that the meteorological conditions were not suitable for lightning that day over Campeche and therefore contradicts what the UNAM scientists claimed in their report?

Answer: Yes. On March 5, we were entering into the final stage of the winter season. The meteorological conditions in this season are of cold fronts but that day in particular there were none present. What we had were the type of clouds that do not cause the flash phenomena.

Question: Did the scientists from the UNAM approach the National Meteorological Services to request the meteorological conditions over Campeche to support their theory?

Answer: No, they have never approached us at any time. If they are talking about a meteorological phenomena at that location, they should have met with us at the National Meteorological Services to obtain the meteorological conditions just like your team, as well as journalists did.

There were no weather balloons sent up in that area.

Question: What's the duration of a flash of lightning?

Answer: A flash lasts microseconds. We cannot talk even of one or two seconds because it's just a single discharge. To say that these lights on the video are ball lighting or electrical sparks is nonsense.

I repeat, that day there were no meteorological conditions for flash or ball lightning in the entire Campeche area. The clouds must have been at approximately 7 kilometers high therefore what we see are stable stratus cloud formations.

Question: What could we be seeing here in this video?

Answer: If this is an optical phenomenon it cannot be referred to Meteorology. It is not a photo meteor, it is not a litho meteor. They are not ice crystals nor a St. Elmo's fire. Those are all meteorological phenomena. And this is not a mirage phenomena.

In conclusion, we do not have an explanation to this phenomena. There are satellites Aqua and Terra and we can request NASA to send us images of that day to continue this study and get more information to try to find out what could have happened that day.