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URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

URECAT is a formal catalog of UFO related entities sightings reports with the goal of providing quality information for accurate studies of the topic. Additional information, corrections and reviews are welcome at patrick.gross@inbox.com, please state if you wish to be credited for your contribution or not. The main page of the URECAT catalog is here.

DECEMBER 1965, BIRMINGHAM, WEST MIDLANDS, U-K., MARGERY:

Brief summary of the event and follow-up:

Ufologist Jenny Randles apparently told in 1988 that in Birmingham, U-K., in December 1965, one night a woman called Margery was told by her first husband to prepare for a shock and some kind of test; which is said to have been quite seriously said.

They reportedly got into his car and drove off, but her memory of the trip became hazy and confused and she does not know where they went.

Then she was in a room that was dimly lit and there were people standing around a long table or flat bed. She was put onto the table and seemed "drugged" and unable to resist.

The most memorable of the men in the group was tall and thin with a long nose, white beard, thick eyebrows. He supposedly said to Margery "Remember the eyebrows, honey".

A strange medical examination, using odd equipment, was performed on her. Her husband then took her on a trip to all the houses she would occupy in the future, this being accomplished by a click of the fingers followed by a flow of images that filled her mind.

At one point one of the "examiners" in the room said to Margery, in a tone that made it seem as he were amused, "They will think its flying saucers." Her husband also revealed to her who he really was but she declined to tell the investigator or source about that.

The next day her husband left, said he was going abroad, and Margery never saw or heard from him again.

She was told that she would remember about the experience only bit by bit as the future unfolded and her memory of the experience allegedly returned only from 1978 onwards.

Basic information table:

Case number: URECAT-000766
Date of event: December 1965
Earliest report of event: 1988?
Delay of report: Decades?
Witness reported via: Not known.
First alleged record by: UFO abductions book Jenny Randles.
First certain record by: Ufology catalogue Rosales.
First alleged record type: UFO abductions book.
First certain record type: Ufology catalogue.
This file created on: July 21, 2008
This file last updated on: July 21, 2008
Country of event: U-K.
State/Department: West Midlands
Type of location: An unknown weakly lit room.
Lighting conditions: Night?
UFO observed: No
UFO arrival observed: No
UFO departure observed: No
UFO/Entity Relation: None
Witnesses numbers: 1
Witnesses ages: Not reported. Adult.
Witnesses types: Not reported. Woman, married.
Photograph(s): No.
Witnesses drawing: No.
Witnesses-approved drawing: No.
Number of entities: Several
Type of entities: Human
Entities height: Not reported or normal
Entities outfit type: Not reported.
Entities outfit color: Not reported.
Entities skin color: Not reported.
Entities body: Not reported. Several men.
Entities head: Not reported or normal.
Entities eyes: Not reported.
Entities mouth: Not reported.
Entities nose: Not reported.
Entities feet: Not reported.
Entities arms: Not reported.
Entities fingers: Not reported.
Entities fingers number: Not reported.
Entities hair: Not reported.
Entities voice: None heard.
Entities actions: Had witness at their mercy, performed some things on her, witness was apparently drugged.
Entities/witness interactions: Had witness at their mercy, performed some things on her, witness was apparently drugged.
Witness(es) reactions: Observed, forgot, remembered.
Witness(es) feelings: Not reported.
Witness(es) interpretation: Not reported.
Explanation category: Possible abduction by humans, abuse.
Explanation certainty: Medium.

Narratives:

[Ref. ar1:] ALBERT ROSALES:

Albert Rosales indicates in his catalogue that in Birmingham, England, in December 1965, one night Margery was told by her first husband to prepare for a shock and some kind of test. It was obvious that he was being quite serious. They got into his car and drove off, although her memory of the trip became hazy and confused and she does not know where they went. Then she was in a room that was dimly lit and there were people standing around a long table or flat bed. She was put onto it and seemed "drugged" and unable to resist. The most memorable of the men in the group was tall and thin with a long nose and white beard. He had thick eyebrows and supposedly said to Margery "Remember the eyebrows, honey." A strange medical examination, using odd equipment, was performed on her. Her husband then took her on a trip to all the houses she would occupy in the future. This was accomplished by a click of the fingers, followed by a barrage of images. Her mind was filled with information but she was told that she would remember it only bit by bit as the future unfolded. The memory of the experience did return only from 1978 onwards. At one point one of the "examiners" in the room said to Margery, in a tone that made it seem as he were amused, "They will think its flying saucers." Her husband also revealed who he really was - but she declined to tell the investigator or source. The day after the "abduction" to a house somewhere in Birmingham her husband left, said he was going abroad, and Margery never saw or heard from him again.

Albert Rosales indicates as source Jenny Randles, Abduction.

Points to consider:

The report as available to me is obviously insufficiently documented; for example, it is not said how Margery "remembered" what she said she remembered, and this was quite probably obtained by so-called "hypnotic regression", a dangerous technique that can generate all sorts of false memories of dreams, hypnagogic hallucination, possibly mixed with souvenirs of science fiction and ufology themes. Nothing is said either about the psychology of the witness but it is apparent that this should have been explored further, specially what exactly the situation was with Margery's husband.

Maybe the following comments, by Jenny Randles, the British ufologist who apparently told about this case, can help the reader put things in perspective.

"My View of Abductions
by Jenny Randles"

"The Anomalist
http://www.anomalist.com/commentaries/commentaries.html"

"I first investigated an abduction case in the UK 20 years ago. For seven years I worked with clinical psychologists and attended about a dozen regression experiments on various cases. The outcome was quite varied and none involved the traditional gray figures conducting medical examinations seen the United States. What entities did appear were mostly human or Nordic. But there was a range of others, from monsters to robots. The only real consistency came in the basic form of the experience: witness sees a light, witness loses consciousness, witness awakes in strange bright room and sees entities, some sort of contact/psychic experience or message is conveyed, witness reawakens back in prior environment (e.g., bedroom or car--these accounting for 17 out of 19 cases I looked into during that time). There were smatterings of medical probes but nothing like that found in the cases investigated by Budd Hopkins. This work of mine occurred between 1979 and 1986."

"From this data several conclusions emerged. Various witnesses explained their doubts about hypnosis. They felt it made them more confused, not less so. They were unclear of the reality status of their experience. Some felt positively harmed psychologically by the trauma of hypnosis. I also saw warning signs. In one case I found myself suddenly speaking to the witness (in regression) who was no longer describing her encounter but channeling the alien and cosmic messages as if I was now actually addressing that being. In another case a witness suffered an epileptic seizure during regression. And there were at least three cases where the doctor, monitoring EEG and EKG of the witness, terminated the experiment as these became dangerously high. I even later discovered that one doctor (medically qualified), whom one of my colleagues was working with, was evidently using a drug to help induce hypnosis that brought him considerable pressure from the medical council afterwards, since I gather some of his patients were unaware of its use."

"For these reasons I rapidly came to see hypnosis as a major part of the problem, given its less than acknowledged ability to always stimulate memory rather than fantasy. As our primary duty was to the witness, it was to my mind dangerous to push them into such situations merely on the pretext that we were seeking "better evidence" about their abduction. The tighter controls and l988 British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) ban on the use of regression altogether greatly reduced the number of reported abductions; although not to zero. Some conscious memory cases did arrive and, of course, several UK groups continued unabated with the use of regression. Although I have not recommended the use of hypnosis to any witness since the BUFORA ban and have not been directly involved in any subsequent case that has used it, I have personally undergone hypnosis (via a clinical psychologist) as part of an experiment and sat in as observer on other cases where hypnosis was used (again via a different clinical psychologist)."

Over the years, many ufologist came to realize that a large number of so-called alien abduction cases cannot be taken at face value, especially if they originate in such uncontrolled use of the hypnosis technique.

Concerning this case, if one accepts to let go the notion that any abduction is by aliens, if one sticks to the bits of information given, it is quite possible that when one of the abductors told that "they" will think of "the flying saucers", it was not just a joke, but an element which can give reason for thinking that Margery was the victim of an abduction set up by her first husband, who left her the next day, that she was drugged, and victim of malevolent operations which should perhaps rather concern the law enforcement than ufologists. Maybe the reader should read again the summary of the case with this theory in mind now.

List of issues:

Id: Topic: Severity: Date noted: Raised by: Noted by: Description: Proposal: Status:
1 Data Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Primary source not available. Help needed. Opened.
2 Ufology Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross No investigation report available. Help needed. Opened.
3 Ufology Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Single anonymous witness. Help needed. Opened.
4 Ufology Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross No information on witness psychology and situation. Help needed. Opened.
5 Ufology Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Probable use of hypnosis. Help needed. Opened.
6 Ufology Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Basic data insufficient. No precise date, no precise place, no verbatim transcriptions, no origin of story, no date of reporting etc. Help needed. Opened.
6 Ufology Severe July 21, 2008 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross No UFO, and entities mentioned are human. Help needed. Opened.

Evaluation:

Possible abduction by humans, abuse.

Sources references:

* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.

Document history:

Authoring

Main Author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editor: Patrick Gross

Changes history

Version: Created/Changed By: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross July 21, 2008 Creation, [ar1].
1.0 Patrick Gross July 21, 2008 First published.

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