A series of reported experiments is published on several web sites in several different documents.
A source indicates that on May 30, 1965, at approximately 2 p.m., Mrs. Gorzelle, age 45, was sunbathing on the roof of her small lake house in Lake Mason, Wisconsin USA, when a shining object in the shape of a disc approached in straight line coming from above the lake. Mrs. Gorzelle said that it was metallic, approximately 40 feet broad, with a row of windows and a dome on the top.
This disc is said to have hivered above her property at less than 200 feet of distance, then it reportedly landed on a tripod which emerged from its bottom. Mrs Gorzelle was on her roof and looked down at it, and managed to see an occupant by one of the windows of the craft.
When this occupant saw her on the roof, he showed her to another occupant who appeared at a second window. These two occupants seemed less than 4 feet tall, with big bald heads, slits for mouths and small noses.
They looked at her during "what seemed to be a long time", and her next memory was to observe the object quickly departing in the direction the setting sun, with what seems to have been four hours gone without leaving a memory.
She later "auto-hypnotized" herself, and stated that by this mean, she managed to remember that she had walked to the craft, then was brought to a staircase of the craft by the two occupants, one of them held a small case that he opened, and inside, there was a crystal of dark color that released a vapor or a smoke. The being held it in front of her face and she jumped back, but when the being again passed it close to her face it discovered that the vapors were odourless.
She then remembered to be back on the roof observing the object leave, and to have headaches following the incident.
This source adds that three months later, she had another encounter with a UFO.
Another source indicates that close to Des Plaines, Illinois, on September 3, 1965, in the night, she had retired, but suddenly had found herself awaked and driving on a rural asphalt road, and to have arrived at a place where a man stood on the road, swinging a lantern.
She reportedly pulled off believing there was an accident there, she stepped out of the car, and saw that the man was tall and of normal appearance except for a "very high" forehead. He was wearing a white outfit with a metal buckle at the waist. She was brought through grass towards a place that suddenly enlightened from a light coming from a door open in a great round mass resting on feet at approximately 30 meters of the road.
Three other cars were stopped along the road and their occupants were also escorted in this object. The abductors were all 6 feet tall, with very high foreheads, and bald; inside the ship, were two men "of normal appearance"; also in white outfits, one with white hair. He was the only person who spoke during the experience and he did that in a language unknown to Mrs. Gorzelle. The other "human" was "looking Italian", and was younger.
The four tall occupants seemed each one responsible for one of the four abductees and looked all alike. The room was filled of electronic devices and control knobs, and by telepathy, she was told that she would not remember the incident.
Her "next memory" was to be taken out by her host and helped into her car, like the three other alleged abductees. Mrs. Gorzelle then made a half-turn, went home, and straight into bed to sleep.
She said that by auto-hypnosis she discovered that a medical examination had been carried out.
From the same ufologist, a second report is given indicating that at an unspecified location, in November 1972, by night, Mimi Gorzelle saw an object in the shape of a disc with a rotating center hovering above her small country house, with two little men inside.
This report reveals that a few weeks later, she dreamed that she drove on a familiar road in the middle of the night when a brilliant light came before, swinging, that her car and three other cars stopped, a man in white outif like a hospital orderly approached, took her arm, and led her to a craft in a meadow.
A shining light came forth and she could see three men in business suits also escorted. Inside, the UFO seemed to be filled with metal cabinets metal cabinets, which had controls and gauges. The occupants of the UFO looked all similar, aged around 50, balding, with a chief who seemed smaller than the others.
It was told to her that she would wake up with no memories, and it is said that the abductees were then all brought back to their cars.
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[Ref. dj1:] DONALD JOHNSON:
Donald Johnson indicates that on May 30, 1965, while sunbathing on the roof of her lake cottage on Lake Mason, Wisconsin at around 2 p.m., Ms. Gorzelle, age 45, witnessed a shiny disc-shaped object approach in a straight line from over the lake. She described it as metallic, about 40 feet wide, and with a row of windows and a dome on top. The domed disc hovered over her cottage property less than 200 feet away, then landed on tripod landing gear that emerged from the underside of the craft. From her roof she was looking down on the landed object. In one of the windows she was able to see an occupant. When the occupant saw her on the roof, he beckoned to another figure that appeared at a second window. Both of them seemed to be rather short, under four feet tall, with large, baldheads, slits for mouths and small noses. They stared at her for what seemed to be a long time. The next thing she recalled was watching the object depart rapidly in the direction of the setting sun. There was a time lapse of at least four hours in her memory. Under self hypnosis, the witness was able to recall walking up to the UFO and being led up a stairway into the vehicle by the two occupants. One of them held a small box that he opened, and inside the box was a dark-colored crystal that gave off a vapor or smoke. He held it in front of her face and the witness jumped back, but when he again passed it close to her face she discovered that the fumes were odorless. The next thing she remembers was being back on her roof watching the object depart. She had headaches following the incident. She would have another UFO encounter three months later.
The sources are indicated as "Fred Merritt case file investigations"; David F. Webb, 1976 CUFOS Conference Proceedings, p. 268; David F. Webb and Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports, case 1965-19 (A0629), citing Fred Merritt.
[Ref. ar1:] ALBERT ROSALES:
Albert Rosales indicates in his catalogue that near Des Plaines, Illinois, on September 3, 1965, at night, Mrs. M. G. had retired but suddenly found herself awake and driving on a rural asphalt road when she came to a spot where a man was standing on the road, waving a lantern. She stopped, believing there had been an accident, and got out. The man was tall, normal in appearance except for a very high forehead, and was dressed in a white coverall with a metal buckle at the waist. She was led across the grass to an area that was suddenly brightly lighted from an opening door of a large round mass sitting on legs about 100 ft from the road. There were three more cars stopped along the road and the occupants of these were also being escorted into this object. Their abductors were all over 6 ft tall, with very high foreheads, and bald; inside the vessel were two "normal appearing" men, also in white coveralls, one with white hair. He was the only one who spoke during the experience and he did so in a language unknown to the witness. The other "human" looked Italian, and was younger. The four tall occupants each appeared to be in charge of the four abductees and in appearance were identical. The room was filled with electronic equipment and control knobs, and telepathically she was told that she would not recall the incident; the next thing she remembered was being led outside again by her "host," and being helped into her car. The other three men were likewise being assisted to their cars. Mrs G made a U-turn, and drove straight home, where she went directly to bed. Self-hypnosis indicated that a medical examination had been conducted.
Albert Rosales indicates as source Fred Merritt for Cufos.
[Ref. ar2:] ALBERT ROSALES:
Albert Rosales indicates in his catalogue that at a location not given, in November 1972, at night, Mimi Gorzelle saw a disc-shaped object with a revolving center hovering outside her country cottage. Inside were two small men. Some weeks later she dreamt she was out driving along a familiar road in the middle of the night when a bright light came from the front, swinging from side to side. Her car and three others stopped. A man dressed in a white coverall, like a hospital orderly approached, held her arm, and led her to a machine on the prairie. A bright light came on and she could see three men dressed in business suits also being escorted on. Inside, the object appeared to be filled with metal cabinets, which had controls and gauges. The beings appeared to be all alike, in their thirties, and balding, with a leader who seemed smaller than the rest. She was told that she would awaken with no memory. They were all then led back to their cars.
Albert Rosales indicates that the sources are Fate Magazine, and also Magonia UK Magazine.
[Ref. ar3:] ALBERT ROSALES:
Albert Rosales indicates in his catalogue that in Lake Mason, Washington, on May 30, 1965, at 02:00 p.m., while sunbathing on her lake cottage roof, the witness saw a shiny disc shaped object approaching in a direct line from over the lake; she described it as metallic, about 40 ft wide, and with a dome on top and a row of windows through which she was able to see first one, then two occupants. The object hovered over her cottage lot less than 200 ft away, as tripod landing gear emerged from underneath. The witness, on the roof, was looking down on the landed object when she saw the first figure at the window. When he saw her on the roof, he beckoned to another figure that appeared at a second window; they seemed to be rather short with large, baldheads. They stared at the witness for what seemed to be a long time. The next thing the witness recalled was watching the object move rapidly away in the direction of the setting sun. There was an apparent time lapse of at least four hours. Under self induced hypnosis, the witness was able to recall walking up to the UFO and being led up a stairway and into the vehicle by the two occupants; they were under four feet tall and one of them held a small box which he then opened. Inside was a dark colored crystal that gave off a vapor or smoke; he held it in front of her face and the witness jumped back, but when he again passed it closed to her face she discovered that the fumes were odorless. The next thing she remembers was being back on her roof watching the object depart. There would be another encounter three months later.
Albert Rosales indicates as source "Fred Merritt for Cufos."
[Ref. ud1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:
The website indicates that on September 3, 1965, at night, in Illinois, USA, someone had a second abduction, with 6 humanoids 6'3" tall, 5 digits hands, speaking an unintelligible language, using telepathy, there was a medical examination, humans were observed, and there were "psychic effects."
Occupants of the craft were seen, an abduction of a witness was reported, one object was observed by one female 45-year-old witness, called M. Gorzelle on a highway.
The sources are indicated as Webb, David, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports, Merritt, Fred I., Fred I Merritt investigation files, Bloecher, Ted R., Ted R Bloecher investigation files, CUFOS Proceedings 1976, Proceedings of the CUFOS Conference: 1976, CUFOS, Chicago, 1976.
[Ref. ud2:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:
The website indicates that on May 30, 1965, at 02:00 p.m., in Lake Mason, Wisconsin, USA, there was an abduction, involving four humanoids, 3-4 feet tall and 5 feet 10 inches tall, with mouth slits, small noses. They spoke a language, humans observed, amnesia, psychic effects, healing effects, headaches/physiological reaction, missing time, telepathic phenomena were reported, a witness later died.
The website indicates that the witness was a repeater, that hypnosis was used, and that the case is unreliable.
One metallic domed disc, about 40 feet across, around 300 feet away, was observed in clear weather by one female named M. Gorzelle, aged 45, at a lake, for four hours, and four 4-foot-tall grey beings were seen.
The witness was on the roof of her lake cottage on Lake Mason, Wisconsin at around 2 p.m., and saw a shiny disc-shaped object approach in a straight line from over the lake. She described it as metallic, about 40 feet wide, and with a row of windows and a dome on top. The domed disc hovered over her cottage property less than 200 feet away, then landed on tripod landing gear that emerged from the underside of the craft. From her roof she was looking down on the landed object. In one of the windows she was able to see an occupant. When the occupant saw her on the roof, he beckoned to another figure that appeared at a second window. Both of them seemed to be rather short, under four feet tall, with large, baldheads, slits for mouths and small noses. They stared at her for what seemed to be a long time. The next thing she recalled was watching the object depart rapidly in the direction of the setting sun. There was a time lapse of at least four hours in her memory. Under self hypnosis, the witness was able to recall walking up to the UFO and being led up a stairway into the vehicle by the two occupants. One of them held a small box that he opened, and inside the box was a dark-colored crystal that gave off a vapor or smoke. He held it in front of her face and the witness jumped back, but when he again passed it close to her face she discovered that the fumes were odorless. The next thing she remembers was being back on her roof watching the object depart. She had headaches following the incident. She would have another UFO encounter three months later.
The sources are indicated as Webb, David, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports; Merritt, Fred I., Fred I Merritt investigation files; CUFOS Proceedings 1976, Proceedings of the CUFOS Conference: 1976, CUFOS, Chicago, 1976; Eberhart, George M., A Geo-Bibliography of Anomalies, Greenwood Press, Westport, 1980, ISBN:0-313-21337-2; Rosales, Albert, Humanoid Sighting Reports Database.
When I find a case of alleged abduction of this kind, I do understand why many people consider that it is only folklore, illusion, a mythology.
The first version I found, as I was dealing with cases of 1965, was that of Albert Rosales, giving a precise date of September 3, 1965. At reading, it appeared to to me that all this was quite confused! The end of the summary indicates that the witness used "auto-hypnosis". While there are still some ufologists who think that hypnosis has a convincing value in itself or reveals something proven by itself, I am not among those, and I am not the only one to think that hypnosis per se really does not make it possible to prove anything. But here, one further step is corssed as it is not even a matter of hypnosis by professionals, nor even by experienced ufologists, but by the witness herself!
I know by experience that the case summaries on the Internet are sometimes erroneous, often incomplete, that one cannot be satisfied at all with the first found source to make on's opinion, a documentation searched based only on a date or a name is also insufficient because dates, places, names of witnesses and details in such summaries are sometimes erroneous. Also, the same people sometimes report multiple and varied experiences, in various places and time, and much of documents of the "cas summary" type may relate only to one piece of a vast whole set od experiences.
Thus I found, from the same ufologist, another summary, for another year, this time without the place, but this time with the witness name.
And in this version, things are quite different, since it says that the former abduction experience does not come from conscious memories of 1965, not even from auto-hypnosis, but from a dream of the witness dream in 1972!
Then, a third source I found still indicated another experience reported by the same person, at another date, another place, for which it seems that she was sunbathing when it occurred, a favourable state to fall asleep and dream, and still with use of auto-hypnosis for part of what she thinks or says to have lived.
And then, one of the sources mentions another experience, 3 months after May 30, 1965, with no further information.
There are perhaps ufologists who would see in all this a series of very convincing cases of alien abductions and would request formal evidence that it is not, by reversing the burden of proof. My opinion is that if there ever were a "case of alien abductions" for which my impression is that someone is asking for gullibility, that's the one, and I am clearly requesting the evidence or at least something convincing befire I change my mind.
It is possible that a careful and complete documentation exists somewherre, at the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) for example, that would clarify the case, or even give a conclusion one way or another, or make some careful reserves, reserves absent from all the summaries I found except one [ue2]. J. Allen Hynek, the founder of the CUFOS, did explain a principle about credibility and reliability of UFO sighting reports: testis unus, testis nullus. A single person's testimony is not enough. It seems to me that indeed, only a single person is the witness here, and I know nothing as of her profile, psychology, credibility, health, background, beliefs, and that null physical evidence appears to corroborate the stories.
It thus seems to me that as the case stands, it would be highly unreasonbale to regard these reported experiences as real experiences.
| Id: | Topic: | Severity: | Date noted: | Raised by: | Noted by: | Description: | Proposal: | Status: |
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| 1 | Data | Severe | May 27, 2008 | Patrick Gross | Patrick Gross | No primary source available to me. | Help needed. | Opened. |
| 2 | Ufology | Severe | May 27, 2008 | Patrick Gross | Patrick Gross | One source indicates that one of the experience was dreamed by the witness. | - | - |
| 3 | Ufology | Severe | May 27, 2008 | Patrick Gross | Patrick Gross | Certain parts of certain experiences are indicated by the witness to be the result of auto-hypnosis. | - | - |
| 4 | Ufology | Severe | May 27, 2008 | Patrick Gross | Patrick Gross | No investigation report available. | Help needed. | Opened. |
| 5 | Ufology | Severe | May 27, 2008 | Patrick Gross | Patrick Gross | single witness case. | Help needed. | Opened. |
| 6 | Ufology | Severe | May 27, 2008 | Patrick Gross | Patrick Gross | No other information on the witness' background than a name and an age. | Help needed. | Opened. |
Possible delusions, dreams and dreams memories.
* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.
| Main Author: | Patrick Gross |
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| Editor: | Patrick Gross |
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| 0.1 | Patrick Gross | May 27, 2008 | Creation, [dj1], [ar1], [ar2], [ue1], [ue2]. |
| 1.0 | Patrick Gross | May 27, 2008 | First published. |
| 1.1 | Patrick Gross | July 5, 2008 | Addition, [ar3]. |
