ALSACAT-2014-11-10-BATZENDORF-1
A 15-year-old young man from Batzendorf, who introduces himself as a UFO sightings enthisiast, registered on the ufological Web board "Les Mystères des OVNIS", presented there on November 20, 2014, no less than his fifth testimony of a sighting from his home in this village.
He said he saw on November 10, 2014 at 10:20 p.m. and for 10 minutes "luminous discs" in Batzendorf.
He had already published this story on the board, but, overwhelmed by his lack of collaboration on the questions asked, his testimony had been withdrawn by the forum team. He then reposted it to "bring other more concrete elements for the resolution of the investigation":
Att 10:20 p.m., I watchd the stars through the window, I was pensive, when I see, at altitude, a black circular forum with 6 parallel luminous balls and at equal distance the one from the others, this weird light formation went in a straight line at medium altitude for a while, then its made a left turn that no aircraft of today coud do. afterwards, it came back and did the same trajectory, then it left?
He added that it had a circular shape, a high luminosity "which is not the case with jet planes", "red colored lights, you could see a round outline", that the size was 10 meters, that it went in a straight line, then made a turn to the left, quite slowly for an airplane, that it had emitted a "noise like that of an airplane engine, but more high pitched."
A forum analyst, clearly upset by the repeated testimonies for which the witness hardly manages to give the requested additional information, asks him the appropriate questions all the same, with the same lack of success as before. For example, when asked the angular size of the object compared to an object held at arm's length, he replies that the size was that of a "cherry tree trunk"... which makes no sense. He was asked again, with explanations, for an angular size, but in vain.
He ends up agreeing that "for the glow, I think it's an agricultural vehicle", but assures that he doesn't know what the "circular saucer-shaped object" was, and that was it.
| Date: | November 10, 2014 |
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| Time: | 10:20 p.m. |
| Duration: | 10 minutes. |
| First known report date: | November 20, 2014 |
| Reporting delay: | Day, 10 days. |
| Department: | Haut-Rhin |
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| City: | Batzendorf |
| Place: | From home at the window. |
| Latitude: | 48.785 |
| Longitude: | 7.703 |
| Uncertainty radius: | 200 m. |
| Number of alleged witnesses: | 1 |
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| Number of known witnesses: | 1 |
| Number of named witnesses: | 1 |
| Witness(es) ages: | 15 |
| Witness(es) types: | Resident male teen. |
| Reporting channel: | By the web to the ufology forum "Les Mystères des OVNIS." |
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| Type of location: | From window at home. |
| Visibility conditions: | Night. |
| UFO observed: | Yes. |
| UFO arrival observed: | ? |
| UFO departure observed: | Yes. |
| Entities: | No. |
| Photographs: | No. |
| Sketch(s) by witness(es): | No. |
| Sketch(es) approved by witness(es): | No. |
| Witness(es) feelings: | Puzzled. |
| Witnesses interpretation: | ? |
| Hynek: | NL |
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| ALSACAT: | Unreliable. |
[Ref. myo1:] UFOLOGY WEB BOARD "LES MYSTERES DES OVNIS":
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aurelien wolff |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Thu 20 Nov 2014, 06:25 Ufo observation 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Firstname or pseudo: aurelien wolff City: Batzendorf Department: Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Region: Alsace launch a call for witnesses: http://www.lalsace.fr Country: France Date: 11/10/2014 Hour of the beginning of theobservation: 10:20 p.m. Duration of the observation: 10 minutes Weather conditions: nighr [sic] sky, clear Number of witnesses: 0 [sic] Type of phenomenon: Luminous discs Official report: No Complete observation report: To bring other more concrete items to the conclusion of the investigation, I decided to post my testimony again: Ah 11: 10 p.m., I was observing the stars through the window, I was thinking, when I saw, in altitude, a black circular shape with 6 parallel luminous balls and at equal distance from each other, this weird luminous formation lumineuse was moving in straight line at medium altitude for a while, then, the later made a turn to the left that no plane of today could'nt do . after, this one came back and did the same trajectorx, then, it left ? Precise description: Circular shape, high luminosity ( which is not the case with the jet planes ), lights of red colors, on pouvais voir un contour rond . Color: Size of the phenomenon: 10 meters Behavior: Goes in a straight line, then makes a turn to the left, the object gos quite slowly for an airplane. Trajectory: North-east 40° - north-west 30° Specific noise: Yes noise like that of an airplane engine, but more high pitched Specific odor: No Direction of the object according to the wind: controlled/independent movement Presence of facilities: Industrial area Houses, fields, a barn was located below this same object. Similar photo: not specified Table: not specified Enlarge the map [There, an extract from Google Maps showing Batzendorf] Field investigation requested: Investigator in charge of the file: Keywords: UFO, Ufo, Ufology, Testimonies, Alsace launch a call for witnesses: http://www.lalsace.fr, France, 22h20, 10,, I hereby certify the accuracy of the information provided and the authenticity of the documents provided. I don't know how to identify this phenomenon, thank you in advance for your answers. Regards aurelien wolff |
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wacapou |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Jeu 20 Nov 2014, 16:11 Hello aurelien Here you are again... In the thread of the same previous testimony, I had however warned you that it was about to take the path to the trash given the little collaboration that you showed. Normally everything here is done to protect your anonymity: no proper name, no precise address, no personal e-mail. A close neighbor or classmate may be able to connect you to your public testimony, but usually that kind of thing only happens if you talk about it yourself. Pulling out each information "with pliers" and this for days and days is very painful. Question: are you determined to answer the questions asked? If not, let it go! If you're so afraid of taunts too! If your are talking about UFOs, you haven't heard the last of them. I'm waiting for your answer before going any further, the time credit to devote to you is getting smaller and smaller. Good evening. |
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aurelien wolff |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Jeu 20 Nov 2014, 19:01 Yes, I decide to answer the questions I will be asked. |
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wacapou |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Jeu 20 Nov 2014, 20:18 Good evening aurelien wolff We reinsert the photo of the "discarded" post so that readers can understand: 
What is the orientation of the window, in which direction were you looking (north, east, ...)? aurelien wolff wrote: this funny light formation went in a straight line at medium altitude for a while Appearance Which direction did the craft appear (azimuth angle to north, use compass, map, compass rose)? How high in the sky was it (angle of elevation, 0° = horizon, 90° = above your head)? Left turn aurelien wolff wrote: then, this one made a turn to the left Same questions as before: azimuth angle and elevation angle when turning left. aurelien wolff wrote: afterwards, this one came back and did the same trajectory So it's not a turn to the left but a U-turn... is that it? Did it return to the position it first appeared in? Disappearance Where was the craft in the sky before disappearing (azimuth angle + elevation angle). How did it disappear? Did it "fade out"? Did it disappear in the distance? If yes, in which direction? All these questions in order to try to reconstruct its trajectory which looks a bit complicated. If you could point us to the barn mentioned in your story on Google Maps, that would make things easier for us. Good evening. |
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aurelien wolff |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Jeu 20 Nov 2014, 20:48 The object was abbout 60 degres from my hed when I saw it, my window was facing north relative to the position of the barn and garden. For the turn of the object, the angle of the site was 0 degres, and in relation to the ground, it had kept its angle of 90 degres, as if it kepted the sames trajectory perpendicular to the ground during all the observation. For the question of the u-turn, sincce the object is returnd, and yes, it returned to the position where it had appeared the first time. For its disappearance, it was at 50 degres from my head when it is disappeared, and it still had a perpendicular angle to the ground. Yes, its disappeared by magic, because afterwards, I never saw its again, and it is disappeared on the right this time. |
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wacapou |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Ven 21 Nov 2014, 15:08 Hello aurelien Window facing north --> OK The barn in question is in front of your window, straight to the north? Is that it? If not relative to your window in which direction is it? Approximately how far from your window is this barn. Good afternoon. |
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aurelien wolff |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Fri 21 Nov 2014, 04:20 p.m. Yes, that's it, and compared to the window, its to the left and 15 meters from this one. |
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wacapou |
aurelien wolff wrote: Presence of facilities: Industrial area Houses, fields, a barn was located below this same object. aurelien wolff wrote: Size of the phenomenon: 10 meters aurelien wolff wrote: Yes, that's it, and in relation to the window, its to the left and 15 meters from this one. Here I am afraid to come across a new problem. If the barn is fifteen meters from the window. If the object flying over the barn had a size of 10 m you would have seen it under an angle of 37°, it would have literally "blocked" your window. If I look at the photo presented with the craft drawn on it, I see it at an angle of about 5°. Which would give us a craft with a wingspan of ~1.30m. I think that seen through the window it must have been smaller than shown in the photo. The appearance, the behavior (round trip...) suggests that you may have observed a drone flying at night with its red LEDs. If I take again the previously discarded testimony: aurelien wolff wrote: ... then, after midnight, a luminous ball that I had already observed a few weeks ago reappeared going from left to right, from right to left; then this one also disappeared like the other disc-shaped UFO... Luminous ball at ground level as you specified. Couldn't it be an object like this the luminous "ball"? A lamp held by a person looking for his drone that crashed in the field? 
Of course you may have seen something quite different, but you would have needed a lot more consistency in your testimony, in particular with regard to the estimated size of the object observed. You give us an estimate of the actual size, that's not what is asked of you at all. It is the apparent size at arm's length that is required. Knowing the estimated distance at which the object is located, we can thus calculate its real size. 
All observers exaggerate what they observe. If you ask someone who doesn't know what the apparent size of the full moon in the sky is at arm's length, they will say 3 or 4 cm when in reality this size is 4.5mm. Good evening. |
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aurelien wolff |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Ven 21 Nov 2014, 18:35 As for the lamp, no, that's not it, because the ball had no fixed trajectory, and if I would have looked at it, I would have necessarily seen a head behind This luminous ball had to be, at eye sight measure the size of a cherry tree trunk in height. |
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wacapou |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Sam 22 Nov 2014, 08:25 aurelien wolff wrote: ... visibly measure the size of a cherry tree trunk in height ... I'm not going along with this comparison. Cherry trees come in all sizes... and what is asked of you, as usual, is the apparent size at arm's length as shown two messages above. By thus measuring the full Moon has an apparent size of 4.5 mm. How big was your object? Good day. |
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aurelien wolff |
Subject: 2014: on 11/10 at 10:20 p.m. - Luminous discs - Ufos in Batzendorf - Bas-Rhin (dep.67) Mer 26 Nov 2014, 20:02 As of the glow, I think it's an agricultural vehicle, because the evning, I seea quite often that goes through a path just in front of my house; on the other hand, the circular object in the shape of a saucer, then, I don't know what it is. |
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On the Web board, "Wacapou" exposed many problems related to this observation and its witness.
The witness is a 15-year-old teenager whose stated passion is "watching UFOs"; he registered on a ufology Web board then says to have seen UFOs, he titles "luminous discs" whereas he says to have seen one round shape with lights on its periphery. We note that his account is rather unclear, rather unreliable, and we see the difficulty of trying to study a case by communicating via the web. I happened to try to obtain an angular size by telephone on some other sighting, it was almost impossible for the witness, despite being an adult, to understand this notion.
At that time, the sky is probably not "clear and cloudless", there was ice fog, mist, in the Strasbourg-Entzheim region, according to Infoclimat.
By means of investigation that I will not expose here, I note that there is apparently no barn within 15 meters (or even 100 meters) of the window of the witness in the direction of the north or towards his left, contrary to what he said.
Not reliable.
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| Main author: | Patrick Gross |
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| Contributors: | None |
| Reviewers: | None |
| Editor: | Patrick Gross |
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| 0.1 | Patrick Gross | March 20, 2023 | Creation, [myo1]. |
| 1.0 | Patrick Gross | March 20, 2023 | First published. |
