ALSACAT-1990-11-05-BOURGFELDEN-1
The ufology web forum "Les Mystères des OVNIS"; which collects testimonies through a web form, published on August 29, 2014, a message headlined about a "triangle shape - UFO in V formation" in Bourgfelden in the Haut-Rhin on November 5, 1990, at about 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
"pat68" reports, apparently by invitation to do so, that he is fascinated with UFOs and the paranormal, he regularly looks at "videos testimonies or other evidence," he says to be "often fake," he seeks valid answers "in this category but it is not easy !!"
He reports that his ex-girlfriend saw in the years 1990 or 1991 a triangle-shaped object moving slowly from Bourgfelden in Alsace, as she was coming home from work.
He said the next day, the news on the national TV channel TF1 spoke about "this object" that was seen up to Belgium, but finally the journalist "said it was the debris of a Russian rocket that my ex wife did not believe in any case of course !!"
Since then he often scans the sky in hope of seeing something; he often saw shooting stars but nothing more so far.
The testimony form asks to specify the color, size, duration, to make comparisons with proposed images, etc., but "pat68" did not fill these fields.
Date: | November 5, 1990 |
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Time: | 06:00 p.m. or 07:00 p.m. |
Duration: | ? |
First known report date: | August 29, 2014 |
Reporting delay: | 24 years. |
Department: | Haut-Rhin |
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City: | Bourgfelden |
Place: | ? |
Latitude: | 47.575 |
Longitude: | 7.552 |
Uncertainty radius: | 2 km |
Number of alleged witnesses: | 1 |
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Number of known witnesses: | 0 |
Number of named witnesses: | 0 |
Witness(es) ages: | Adult. |
Witness(es) types: | Female. |
Reporting channel: | ? |
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Type of location: | ? |
Visibility conditions: | Night |
UFO observed: | Yes |
UFO arrival observed: | ? |
UFO departure observed: | ? |
Entities: | No |
Photographs: | No. |
Sketch(s) by witness(es): | No. |
Sketch(es) approved by witness(es): | No. |
Witness(es) feelings: | ? |
Witnesses interpretation: | Not debris of Russian rocket. |
Hynek: | NL |
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ALSACAT: | Space junk reentry. |
[Ref. myo1:] UFOLOGY WEB FORUM "LES MYSTERES DES OVNIS":
Pat68 |
Subject: 1990: on 11/5 at about 6 p.m. 7 p.m.- shape of triangleFormation of ufo in V - Bourgfelden - Haut-Rhin (dep.68) Fri Aug 29 2014, 05:57 p.m. Ufo observation 1990: on 11/5 at about 6 p.m. 7 p.m.- shape of triangleFormation of ufo in V - Bourgfelden - Haut-Rhin (dep.68) Firstname or pseudo: pat68 City: Bourgfelden Department: Haut-Rhin (dep.68) Region: Alsace to call for witness: http://www.lalsace.fr Pays: France Date: 11/5/1990 Hout of the beginning of the observation: at about 6 p.m. 7 p.m. Duration of the observation: Weather conditions: Number of witnesses: Type of phenomenon: shape of triangleFormation of ufo in V Official report: not specified Complete narrative of the observation: Hello, thank you for the invitation.I am passionate of everything ufo paranormal .I regularly watch videos witnesses or other stories, often fake, but I'm looking for answers on course and valid, even in this category it n 'is not easy !! My ex girlfriend has seen herself a few years back already a triangle-shaped object in the 90's or 91's (I do not recal [sic] very well) moving slowly, it happend [sic] in Bourgfelden in Alsace when comin [sic] home from work at the level of the thumbnail (for connoisseurs !!) the next day the national news of TF1 they were talking about it, this object was seen up to Belgium, but finally the reporter said as what was the debris from a Russian rocket that my ex wife did not believe in any case of course !! Since I often scans the sky in hopes of seeing something, often shooting stars but nothing more for now !! Precise description: Color: Size of the phenomenon: Behaviour: Trajectory: not specified Specific noise: not specified Specific odor: not specified Direction of the object relative to the wind: not specified Presence of installations: not specified Similar photo: not specified Table: not specified REquest for field investigation: to be specified Investigator in charge of the case: Keywords: Ufo, triangle shape, Alsace to call for witnesses: http://www.lalsace.fr, France, at about 06: p-m- 07 p.m., , shape of triangle, I hereby certify the accuracy of information and the authenticity of the documents supplied. I do not know how to identify this phenomenon thank you in advance for your answers. to be specified Best regard pat68 |
On November 5, 1990, one or two minutes after 07:00 p.m., a very commonplace phenomenon occurred, explained, and devoid of any actual strangeness, but it nevertheless started a UFO delirium of some of the French ufologists.
The sightings started with an explosive decay over the Bay of Biscay in France, resulting in combustion fragments seen from afar, and generally, as they approached, seen as a group of three main lights - hence it was called a "triangle" - of large angular size, and followed by trails of smoke and sparks.
Once over land, the thing was seen from different angles and at various distances by people on the ground, which gives a range of quite diverse descriptions.
The thing crossed France following a line approximately from Bordeaux to Strasbourg, in silence, in a straight line without any maneuver, in two to three minutes, reaching Strasbourg at about 07:06 p.m.
There were also sightings reported from the South of England, London, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland, but not beyond.
In the evening, several Gendarmerie brigades contacted the National Center for Space Studies to report what people told them. Gendarmes brigades of Angers and Tulle got the chance to see the display themselves. In the evening, the Press service of the armies, SIRPA, confirmed that military pilots had seen something without being able to formally identify it. Near Paris airports of Orly and Roissy, the luminous phenomenon was seen from the control towers. Hundreds or even thousands of civilians reported their sightings to the authorities, the Press and other media.
Radio stations, television channels, newspapers, talk of a UFO, then a meteor, and finally the correct explanation appeared through information given by NASA: it was the entering in the atmosphere of the remains of a Russian Proton rocket launched from the Baikonur space center to put a Gorizont 21 satellite in orbit. Calculations had predicted the fallout of the rocket debris at its 36th orbit, crossing France from the South West to the North East on November 5, 1990 around 07:00 p.m.. SEPRA, then officially in charge of such matters, provided this explanation to news agencies on November 9, 1990.
On November 5, 1990 already, an amateur expert in satellites and space debris impact trajectory calculations, Pierre Neirinck, had seen himself, and had also identified the phenomenon, independently of NASA, as space junk from the Proton rocket.
Any sensible ufologist should have understood what is was from the beginning, given the descriptions, and at least understand thereafter that it was a classical space junk case. But some ufologists refused to hear anything about a rocket and continued to talk and write about it as a "UFO flap", of "400 UFOs" or even "thousands of UFOs", often mixing other, unrelated sightings that were more or less of the same day, sighting who have other explanations. This resulted in the continuing presence of this explained case as massive UFO sightings in some of the UFO literature, and of course this includes observations made in Alsace.
This particular testimony does not present any evidence against the explanation. It is an indirect testimony, with little information and no information on the reason(s) why the witness rejects the explanation - and actually, when witnesses specify their reasons, they are generally wrong reasons.
Space junk reentry.
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Main author: | Patrick Gross |
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Contributors: | None |
Reviewers: | None |
Editor: | Patrick Gross |
Version: | Create/changed by: | Date: | Description: |
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0.1 | Patrick Gross | May 18, 2015 | Creation, [myo1]. |
1.0 | Patrick Gross | May 18, 2015 | First published. |