The index page for the 1954 French flap section of this website is here.
Reference for this case: 2-Oct-54-Crocq.
Please cite this reference in any correspondence with me regarding this case.
The case appears in the ufological literature with the "UFO landings" catalog by Jacques Vallée from 1966 on; he reports that in October 1954, at 7:30 p.m., in Crocq in France, at the Montlaur dungeon, five people, including J. Dubois, had seen a round craft, maneuvering, emitting a blinding light, and having a few openings or portholes, and seeming to land far from them.
Jacques Vallée gave no other indication or source.
In their 1975 catalog of observations in the Creuse department, the ufology magazine INFO-UFO was slightly more dissertated:
On October 2, 1954 at 7:30 p.m., in Crocq, Mr. and Mrs. Dubois, and Mrs. Pinguet, had seen to the right of the Féniers airfield, a rounded object pointed at each side, descending from the sky.
The observation lasted 10 minutes, with two "vertical stops" of about one minute each.
On the rounded part of the craft, several "violently illuminated" portholes, with a "light that cannot exist on earth", were seen.
The magazine indicated that the sources were, in addition to Jacques Vallée, the Mémorial de la Marche for October 9, 1954, and Le Cherheur for October 23, 1954.
The same year, 1975, Charles Garreau and Raymond Lavier gave their version, without specifying their sources, saying that in Crocq, on October 13, 1954, "Mr. Jean Dubois who lives on top of Crocq near the old towers, prepares to enter his car in his garage, he glances at the countryside, then sees a craft the size of a 4CV - a popular compact car - but elongated and rounded at both ends, descending lower than the moon rising on the horizon. Mr. Dubois calls his wife and son, as well as a neighbor, Mrs. Adrien Pinguet and her son, all following the maneuvers of this craft that, twice, stops for about a minute. "On the rounded part, there were lots of portholes, from which a light that could not exist on earth escaped. I am knowledgeable, and I am not aware of these kinds of rays that would require wearing very dark sunglasses, even from afar." Mr. Dubois asks the other witnesses to continue the observation. He drives with his car to the presumed landing spot 5 or 6 kms towards Gentioux. But he looks for traces of the craft in vain. When he returns home everything is gone."
Subsequently, the different versions will be repeated many times, none having anything more to say, so that it seems very difficult to be sure that it was not simply a helicopter.
[Ref. jve1:] JACQUES VALLEE:
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248) October 13, 1954, 07:30 p.m., Crocq (France):
At Donjon de Montlaur, five persons, among them J. Dubois, saw a round craft maneuver, give off a blinding light. It had some openings or portholes, and seemed to land far from them. (Personal)
[Ref. jve2:] JACQUES VALLEE:
The author indicates that on October 13, 1954, in Crocq in the Creuse, five people saw a round apparatus maneuvering, throwing a dazzling light. It had kinds of openings or portholes. It seemed to land, but far from the witnesses.
[Ref. ioi1:] "INFO-OVNI" UFOLOGY MAGAZINE:
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015 10/02/1954 - 07:30 p.m.° - CROCQ - Witnesses Mr. Mrs. Miss Dubois, Mrs. Pinguet.
On the right of the FENIERE air camp, a rounded object pointed at each side, descended from the sky.
Duration of the observation: 10 mn. 2 stops vertically 1 minute, each. On the rounded part, several portholes were violently illuminated. "... a light that cannot exist on earth..."
(MEMORIAL DE LA MARCHE, Sat. Oct. 9, 1954)
(LE CHERCHEUR, Sat. Oct. 23, 1954)
("CHRONIQUE DES APPARITIONS EXTRA-TERRESTRES" by J. VALLEE. "J'ai lu" - Col. L'Aventure Mystérieuse").
[Ref. gal1:] CHARLES GARREAU AND RAYMOND LAVIER:
The two authors indicate for the case in Crocq; which they date October 13, 1954:
"Mr. Jean Dubois who lives in the top of Crocq close to the old towers, is on the point of returning his car in his garage. He happens to throws a glance on the countryside. He then sees a craft of the size of a 4 CV [normal sized french car of that time], but elongated and rounded at the two ends, which goes down from an altitude lower than that of the moon which rises at the horizon. Mr. Dubois calls his wife and his son, as well as a neighbor, Mrs. Adrien Pinguet and the son of the latter. All follow the evolutions of this machine which, twice, stays hovering during one minute approximately. "On the round-off, one noticed sorts of port-holes, from where a light escaped which cannot exist on this Earth. I am a professionnal, and I am not informed of this sort of rays which must require the wearing of very dark glasses, even at distance." Mr. Dubois asks the other witnesses to continue the observation. As for himself, he leaves with his car towards the point of the supposed landing, At 5 or 6 kilometers in direction of Gentioux. But it is in vain that he seeks the traces of the machine. When he returns to the house all had disappeared."
[Ref. prn1:] PETER ROGERSON - "INTCAT":
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423 13 October 1954 1930 hrs
CROCQ (FRANCE) At Donjon de Montlaur, 5 people, among them J. Dubois, saw a round craft manouver and give off a blinding light. It had some openings or portholes, and seemed to land far from the witnesses. (M248)
[Ref. fru1:] MICHEL FIGUET ET JEAN-LOUIS RUCHON:
The two French ufologists indicate in their book that on October 2, 1954, at 07:30 p.m., in Feniers, five people who were "on the right side" of the airfield observed an object of round shape but pointed on each side. They noticed that there were violently lit portholes violently on the rounded part, of a "color that cannot exist on this earth." They saw the object go down vertically, marking two stops of one minute approximately, and it then seemed to land, but quite far from the witnesses.
The object is of round shape pointed at the sides. On the round-off several strongly lighted port-holes are noticed.
The witnesses are Mr. et Mrs J. Dubois, Miss Pinguet, Miss Dubois, and someone else.
The authors indicate that the sources are the case 279 of the Vallée catalogue, where it is dated October 13 and put in Crocq in the Creuse at the Montlaur dungeon; and the "Mémorial de la Marche" for October 9, 1954; "Le Chercheur" for October 23, 1954; INFO-OVNI, catalogue Creuse page 6.
[Ref. jge1:] JEAN-FRANCOIS GILLE:
| ICOD | DESIGNATION | (57) | DATE | JV4 | JV1 | COMMENTS | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 021 | 0760 | FENIERS | RF23 | 541002 | 248 | 0 |
[Ref. mft3:] MICHEL FIGUET:
| Nr of the J. C. Fumoux list | Nr if the Francat list | Localization | Date | Class | Credibility | Sources | Number of W |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 021 | 112 | Féniers | 02/10 | CE1 | D poss. misint. | 2-p. 108 | 5 W |
[Ref. lhh1:] LARRY HATCH - "*U* COMPUTER DATABASE":
3913: 1954/10/02 19:30 5 2:22:40 E 45:52:40 N 3333 WEU FRN CRS 7:8
FENIERS/CROCQ,FR:5 OBS:SCR W/PORTHOLES:BLINDING:LANDS/DISTANCE:/LDLN#345p32
Ref#194 LUMIERES dans la NUIT.(LDLN France) Issue No. 319 : FARMLANDS
[Ref. goe1:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:
Belgian ufologist Godelieve van Overmeire notes in her catalogue that in France, in 1954, on October the 2nd or 3rd, in Guebling, Misters Domant and Gilcher saw a disc emitting a weak green gleam land in a field.
The source is indicated as "Jacques Vallée: 'Chronique des apparitions ET' - DENOEL 1972 - COLL. J'AI LU - p. 265."
[Ref. goe2:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:
The Belgian ufologist indicates that on October 13, 1954 in France in Crocq, at 19:30 at the dungeon of Montlaur, 5 people among those J Dubois, saw a round machine maneuvering, emitting a dazzling light and having some openings or port-holes. It appeared to land far from them.
The source is indicated as Jacques Vallée: "Chronique des apparitions ET" - Denoël 1972 - J'Ai Lu coll. - p. 279.
[Ref. djn1:] DONALD JOHNSON:
Donald Johnson indicates that on October 13, 1954, at 7:30 p.m. in Crocq, France, at Donjon de Montlaur, J. Dubois and four other witnesses saw a round craft maneuver, giving off a blinding light. It had some openings or portholes, and seemed to come down and land far away from them.
The source is noted: Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia, p. 227.
[Ref. jbu1:] JEROME BEAU:
Jérôme Beau indicates that on Wednesday, October 13, 1954, at 19:30 in Crocq (France), at the Montlaur dungeon, 5 people, among those J. Dubois, see 1 round apparatus maneuvering, emitting a dazzling light, and has some openings or port-holes. It appears to land far from them.
[Ref. lcn1:] LUC CHASTAN:
Luc Chastan provides a summary of this case based on this web page from my website, given as source.
[Ref. mps1:] MICHEL PADRINES:
Michel Padrines indicates that on October 13, 1954, at 19:30 in Crocq, at the Montlaur dungeon, 5 people, among those J. Dubois, see 1 round apparatus maneuvering, emitting a dazzling light, and has some openings or port-holes. It appears to land far from them.
[Note: the author simply cut and pasted the [jbu1] page for October 13, without giving credit.]
[Ref. lcn1:] LUC CHASTAN:
Luc Chastan indicates in his database that in the Creuse in Féniers on October 2, 1954 at 19:30 hours, five witnesses are on the right of the airfield when they see an object which goes down from the sky. After two stops at the vertical of one minute approximately, it seems to land but quite far from the witnesses. The object is of round shape ending in points on the sides. On the rounded part several port-holes there are violently lit of a light 'which cannot exist on Earth'."
The source is indicated as "Ovni, Premier dossier complet... by Figuet M./ Ruchon J.L. ** Alain Lefeuvre pub. 1979".
[Ref. uda1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:
The website indicates that on 13 October 1954 at 19:30, in Crocq, France, a round craft, gave off a blinding light. At Donjon de Montlaur, five persons, among them J. Dubois, saw a round craft maneuver, give off a blinding light. It had some openings or portholes, and seemed to land far from them. An object was sighted that had an appearance and performance beyond the capability of known earthly aircraft. One ball, of huge size, was observed by five witnesses in a town.
The sources are indicated as Bowen, Charles, The Humanoids: FSR Special Edition No. 1, FSR, London, 1966; Wilkins, Harold T., Flying Saucers Uncensored, Citadel, 1955; Vallee, Jacques, Computerized Catalog (N = 3073); Vallee, Jacques, A Century of Landings (N = 923), (in JVallee04), Chicago, 1969; Schoenherr, Luis, Computerized Catalog (N = 3173); Hatch, Larry, *U* computer database, Author, Redwood City, 2002.
[Ref. uda1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:
The website indicates that on 2 October 1954 at 19:30, in Feniers, France, there was a UFO sighting.
The source is indicated as Hatch, Larry, *U* computer database, Author, Redwood City, 2002.
[Ref. nip1:] "THE NICAP WEBSITE":
*Oct. 13, 1954 - Three hours later at 7:30 p.m. in Crocq, France, at Donjon de Montlaur, J. Dubois and four other witnesses saw a round craft maneuver, giving off a blinding light. It had some openings or portholes, and seemed to come down and land far away from them. (Source: Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia, p. 227, case # 248).
[Ref. ubk1:] "UFO-DATENBANK":
This database recorded this case 4 times:
| Case Nr. | New case Nr. | Investigator | Date of observation | Zip | Place of observation | Country of observation | Hour of observation | Classification | Comments | Identification |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 19541013 | 13.10.1954 | Crocq | France | 19.30 | NL | |||||
| 19541013 | 13.10.1954 | Crocq | France | 19.30 | ||||||
| 19541013 | 13.10.1954 | Crocq | France | 19.30 | ||||||
| 19541013 | 13.10.1954 | Crocq | France | 19.30 | NL |
[Ref. prn2:] PETER ROGERSON - "INTCAT":
October 13 1954. 1930hrs.
CROCQ (CREUSE : FRANCE)
At Donjon de Montlaur, five people including J. Dubois saw a round object manoeuvre and give off a blinding light. It had some openings or portholes and seemed to land far from the witnesses
Vallee Case 248
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(These keywords are only to help queries and are not implying anything.)
Féniers, Feniers, Féniers, Creuse, object, multiple, round, rouded, pointed, portholles, light, descent, landing, manoeuvres
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| 1.1 | Patrick Gross | November 15, 2014 | Addition [nip1]. |
| 1.2 | Patrick Gross | February 23, 2017 | Addition [ubk1]. |
| 1.3 | Patrick Gross | December 9, 2019 | Additions [jfe1], [mft3] [ioi1], [prn1], [lhh1], [prn2], Summary. Explanations changed, were "Not looked for yet." |
